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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 7:07:06 GMT
Post by Canuovea on Sept 22, 2016 7:07:06 GMT
Well, saying that "this person looks/behaves like a gay person" just seems kind of strange now that we're kind of supposed to be past seeing gay people as effeminate (on the whole, anyway).
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 14:56:39 GMT
Post by wordweaver3 on Sept 22, 2016 14:56:39 GMT
Well, saying that "this person looks/behaves like a gay person" just seems kind of strange now that we're kind of supposed to be past seeing gay people as effeminate (on the whole, anyway). To be fair that was over 20 years ago. I dunno. I blame the conservatives (don't I always). Oddly, I blame the libs. It seems as a society we're regressing. We keep finding more reasons to separate ourselves from each other instead of coming together. New sexes, new races, and new cultures. We create new differences every day seemingly to argue about them. It's almost like with the internet we found out, much to our horror, that we aren't all that different and we had to make amends. At one time I thought the internet was this incredible thing that was going to bring us together. I can communicate with almost anyone in the world instantly. What better way to shrink the world and close the gaps between us? To quote Charlie Chaplin: "The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all." Instead it's like "familiarity breeds contempt". The more we know each other the less we like each other. The more our technology advances the more our minds regress.
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Post by Canuovea on Sept 22, 2016 16:35:41 GMT
I see diversity as a good thing, and accepting diversity as an even better (and more necessary) thing. Because bringing us all closer together means we're simply going to discover more differences, because we are different, that's the reality.
And in most of the cases I've seen in the past, it is the conservatives who have the most trouble accepting diversity. And now? Now it seems some of the left has reacted to the point where they're not accepting the diversity of their opposites in response. It gets tiring.
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 19:01:11 GMT
Post by StyxD on Sept 22, 2016 19:01:11 GMT
It seems as a society we're regressing. We keep finding more reasons to separate ourselves from each other instead of coming together. New sexes, new races, and new cultures. Oddly enough, I feel like most of those have always existed - people either didn't realize they did, or were to afraid to admit it. Indeed, it is the conservative dream to erase our differences and become all united, all the same, all the "right" way... At one time I thought the internet was this incredible thing that was going to bring us together. I can communicate with almost anyone in the world instantly. What better way to shrink the world and close the gaps between us? It kind of did - just one aspect was underestimated when our hopes were high. Unlike the real world, you can choose who to communicate with. And we usually communicate with people who are exactly the same as we. Give a big enough echo chamber, and you can make any viewpoint seem reasonable and right. For sure, I've even heard of pedophile communities who convinced themselves they were fighters for children's sexual liberation... There's something for everyone, because the sheer size of the Internet means you can find at least a few thousand people who share your viewpoints, no matter how ridiculous or dangerous they are. And you can feel like a great and powerful community. And then you never have to talk to anyone else ever again. The same thing that made big cities historically (and in the present, too) easier to live in for minorities - anonymity and being able to find communities of people similar to oneself - is now turning against is. Resulting in unprecedented degree of purely ideological tribalism. All of humanity came together in the Internet... and then everyone took their toys, found their coolest kids, and started despising everyone else. Isn't it ironic? Almost like aeroplane and radio communication becoming the most essential elements that lay foundation under modern warfare.
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 20:11:55 GMT
Post by Harkovast on Sept 22, 2016 20:11:55 GMT
I think both sides are to blame. Yeah you've got your racists on one side, who get out of joint at diversity. Then on the other side you've got the 'progressives' searching for some new category of definition to get upset about, and redefining words to justisfy getting more upset about things. Saying you don't care about race or colour is now considered racist in some 'progressive' circles, since that means you are showing white priviledge as people of colour don't have the advantage to see the world without considering race etc etc. The way to be less racist is to treat people differently based on race.
The second group maybe seem worse because they are newer. The first group have been being douche bags since forever, the second group are inventing a whole new opposite kind of douche bag (that ironically loops around nad becomes a lot like the first kind.)
Tiresome clarification- Now everyone on either side of the debate is a raging asshole, I was just expressing the bad things that come out of both sides and get on my nerves.
I think everyone seems to be focused on the wrong stuff. But what do I know?
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 20:12:57 GMT
Post by Harkovast on Sept 22, 2016 20:12:57 GMT
Yeah I think this sums things up fairly well, Canuovea.
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 20:55:43 GMT
Post by StyxD on Sept 22, 2016 20:55:43 GMT
Saying you don't care about race or colour is now considered racist in some 'progressive' circles, since that means you are showing white priviledge as people of colour don't have the advantage to see the world without considering race etc etc. The way to be less racist is to treat people differently based on race. See, I don't think you comprehend what that thing you're getting angry about actually means. And then you say something to the effect of "ain't that crazy, huh?", like here - that this postulate actually means we should treat people differently based on race. And I mean, I tried to explain those things once, I dunno, maybe I was shit at explaining it. But I poured hours into my post and got the same "but that's crazy" response back from you. I guess that's what I find the most disheartening about you little SJW rebellion. (That and blatant Trump shilling, eh? Eh? ) That it seems you don't get some more advanced issues. And because you don't get them, it means they're wrong and need to be torn down. It's kinda like populists I see back home.
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 21:08:55 GMT
Post by Canuovea on Sept 22, 2016 21:08:55 GMT
-Hark
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 21:14:58 GMT
Post by StyxD on Sept 22, 2016 21:14:58 GMT
Am I an asshole for saying this? I don't even know.
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 22:37:30 GMT
Post by Harkovast on Sept 22, 2016 22:37:30 GMT
StyxD maybe you just aren't explaining it in an effective way? To be honest, your denial that there are problems kinda just makes me think I'm right. When you tell me "you just don't get it" and "those things don't matter" and "the other side is worse", that isn't the answer I'm looking for. I think I do understand these issues very well. I've look into them in a lot of detail, and I didn't like the answers I found. Its a bit patronising to assume that just becuase I don't agree means I don't understand. I think these things do matter. A movement that doesn't care about getting its own house in order isn't something I want in on. and "the other side is worse" means nothing to me. My nieghbour robs banks, I just do pety theft, so you should help my pety theft cause its not as bad as that other guy. I guess I can reread what you had ot say, I wasn't in a good mood at the time. I will se if it means any more to me now. What I really want to see is the racist, sexist, extremist and asshole elements bring driven out by others, and that's not what I see. I see people making excuses for other people, just as long as its on their team. I've seen the most serious, hardcore feminists suddenly flip and start doubting victims when it was the Cologne attacks by immigrants. "I believe the victims...except that I don't..."Imagine if it was a white male accused. Would she be demanding we display caution and not rush to decide who did or didn't do anything? Cause I think she would call that rape denial and go ape shit. she doesn't care about rape victims, she cares abotu her progressive narrative nad gets upset when things don't fit with that. The truth is an easy sacrifice to ideology. (Shakesville is scarey, by the way! One time they all pledged loyalty to their leader, I shit you not.) The social justice crowd need to get their house in order. And stop accusing me of supporting Trump, please. Name calling is an even worse tactic to convince me. Christ, you put one funny observation in a Spawn review, and look where it ends up...
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 22:57:46 GMT
Post by StyxD on Sept 22, 2016 22:57:46 GMT
StyxD maybe you just aren't explaining it in an effective way? No shit. I said I probably wasn't. And no, don't read that. I don't think it was good at all. I've seen the most serious, hardcore feminists suddenly flip and start doubting victims when it was the Cologne attacks by immigrants. I know that. The truth is an easy sacrifice to ideology. I actually had an idea to write a SF story with this theme the other week. And stop accusing me of supporting Trump, please. Name calling is an even worse tactic to convince me. I was just joking. Admittedly, a low hanging fruit, and not that tasty at that. Anyway, I gave up. Don't worry about it. Sorry for the bother.
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 23:06:33 GMT
Post by Harkovast on Sept 22, 2016 23:06:33 GMT
Seriously, hang in there for the next review. Its going to be about fifty percent bashing all the sexism.
You see I CREATE SEXISM! .......
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...and I destroy it.
(That was a clue to what's next, hopefully this weekend. If you've seen the film and got that clue, don't give it away!)
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 23:10:09 GMT
Post by StyxD on Sept 22, 2016 23:10:09 GMT
I think I heard that quote... somewhere. Can't remember where.
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Spawn
Sept 22, 2016 23:19:45 GMT
Post by Harkovast on Sept 22, 2016 23:19:45 GMT
I love dogs. I've always loved dogs.
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Spawn
Sept 23, 2016 4:42:55 GMT
Post by Canuovea on Sept 23, 2016 4:42:55 GMT
Did you ever fix the thing where you said "now" everyone in the debate was an asshole when you meant "not"?
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