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Post by Canuovea on Nov 27, 2019 22:08:57 GMT
Wow.
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Post by StyxD on Dec 13, 2019 8:43:02 GMT
So it looks like in this year's "Friday the 13th" horror movie, Britain is electing the same clowns that couldn't even implement their own clown policies competently for the last three years.
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Post by TempestFennac on Dec 13, 2019 13:02:34 GMT
It's hard to implement policies when you have salty Remoaners sabotaging the party by either voting against the manifesto or quitting to join or form other parties. On the plus side, it seems like we can actually move forward without worrying about a Marxist idiot taking the UK back to the '70s.
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Post by StyxD on Dec 13, 2019 14:40:09 GMT
Harasho, boomerovich
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Post by TempestFennac on Dec 13, 2019 14:52:19 GMT
I assume you've not actually seen any of what Corbyn's promises were, or the amount they would cost?
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 13, 2019 21:44:34 GMT
Ooof, looks like Scotland should just leave the union and take their resources with them. They're almost entirely the opposite of the rest of the country and the English keep fucking them over, as usual.
Scottish Referendum
England: "Don't leave! You'll have trouble getting back into the EU! Your economy will suffer!"
Now
Brexiteers: "You shouldn't leave! We're stronger together!"
Scotland: " ?Nanithefuck? "
Well, if Scotland does leave, it will make my mother happy. And it would be hilariously ironic.
The one bright side here is that while Britain may have elected their own version of an idiot with bad hair, at least Britain isn't really that important on the world stage anymore and so they can't fuck it up too much for the rest of the planet. So yeah, Trump's still worse than Boris. But don't worry, the US will have the opportunity to do what they do best and upstage Britain even more; they'll probably elect Trump again in 2020.
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Post by StyxD on Dec 13, 2019 23:42:23 GMT
I swear, Canuovea, I've seen the exact meme in picture form, you replicated it almost exactly in text. But don't worry, the US will have the opportunity to do what they do best and upstage Britain even more; they'll probably elect Trump again in 2020. They'll probably elect him again in 2024 too. I assume you've not actually seen any of what Corbyn's promises were, or the amount they would cost? It's a bit of an assumption that I'd support Corbyn if I detest Tories. What is it, USA? But anyway, I feel like I've had this conversations many times before, and I'm not interested in having it once more. I just find it extra crispy, that you should object to cost, what with the economical risks of Brexit (and Chuck Tingle wrote a book about them, and this guy knows what's what) and the only assurance that it's going to be swell coming from the aforementioned clown that has been caught lying almost as pervasively as Trump…
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 14, 2019 0:30:37 GMT
Corbyn ran a terrible campaign that was completely out of touch with the country. His policy ideas varied between far left pandering to his own base (talking about open borders, health care for all immigrants on the NHS and a four day work week) and later on loads of crazy give aways that just started to sound goofy (he was promising to plant severla billion trees...yes BILLIONS and give everyone free broad band internet.)
Britain is sort of centre right as a whole. We aren't as right wing as America, but we are overall a bit right of centre.
Offering them a hard left vision was always a terrible strategy.
That's not me saying "left wing bad" but just talking about the reality of the country.
You can't go into the vegetarian restaurant and start serving steak. Steka is awesome if you ask me, and people who don't eat it are missing out on some meaty goodness. But when I rub a bloody slab of cow in the vegans face and he doesn't thank me for it, me going "but you guys are wrong about beef!" isn't going to help.
Also Corbyn's policy on brexit, the big issue of the day and what this election was all about was incorherent. He wasn't pro brexit...or pro remain. He was instead promisng another 3 months of negotiating, then a new brexit deal that we would have another referendum on. Literally drag things out and then have a do over. It was dumb, it was confusing, it meant MORE drawn out brexit shit that everyone hates at this point. It felt dishonest as it kinda seemed like remain through the back door. Most hilariously of all, it featured the issue that it wasn't clear what side labour would campaign on in the second referendum, leaving open the possibility that labour would campaign against a deal THEY negotiated.
The only time labour have won elections in my life time is when they moved to the centre under Blair. Corbyn went back to politics of pre blair labour and got the election results of pre blair labour. Alright that's not fair...even in the 80's labour weren't doing this badly.
How bad did labour do? I live in Rotherham and South Yorkshire. This used to be the mining area of the country but the mining industry was destroyed by magarat Thatcher in the 80s. This act made people around here HATE Tory's for a generation. Saying you liked the Tory's was on the level of saying you thought the British National Party had some good ideas. Even 5 years ago the idea of Tory's winning around here was ridiculous. You could put a red badge on a chimp and it would win in this area. Now out of 3 Members of parliament in my area...one is Tory. South Yorkshire as a whole has 4 Tory MP's amongst its representatives now.
This is RIDICULOUS.
This would be like if Texas had flipped for Hillary, or california came out for Trump. This is the labour heartland, and they turned against labour! The unthinkable is now thinkable. Even if labour win it back, the certainty of their hold in this region has been shattered for ever. Voting Tory is now a thing that can happen in South Yorkshire.
The Labour party will need to reinvent itself if it is ever to recover from this disaster.
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Post by TempestFennac on Dec 14, 2019 5:42:11 GMT
Exactly, Hark. Styx, as far as that assumption went, the odds of anyone other than Johnson or Corbyn becoming PM were practically nil (the SNP only contest seats in Scotland so 59/650 is the most seats they'd ever get and it would have required a really implausible swing in their favour, so if the Tories hadn't got a majority we would have probably ended up with Corbyn being propped up by the SNP and/or Lib Dems.
As for the alleged costs of Brexit, did that guy include the cost of staying in the EU, Can? As far as I can gather the Eurozone is still having major economic issues so my point about getting out while we still can still seems relevant (then there's its desire for "ever closer union", which is my main reason for wanting out). Besides, there was supposed to be a ginormous economic crash as soon as Leave won but that never materialised beyond the £ losing some value so I don't see any reason to be too bothered about the other predictions about the consequences of a "No Deal" exit, especially since Johnson already has a deal which should get through Parliament now.
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 14, 2019 8:12:01 GMT
Huh, well, Scotland has been fucked around by England since forever, so its not really a shocker. They're like the Quebecois of Britain, but marginally less French, and with marginally more of a reason to be pissed off. At least Quebec is part of an actual goddamn federation.
So while I didn't know I was copying a meme, I'm not too surprised. Scottish feeling on the matter must be rather clear.
Tempest, it was Styx D who mentioned the cost of Brexit, not I... but I imagine it is going to be a notable one, and greater than the cost of remaining. Enough to sink the island? Probably not, no. I'm sure you're all mostly going to be fine. Mostly. Hopefully. Though I can't say I'd actually be too sad to see it all burn, since everyone seems bent on electing idiots these days. Except for Canada, I guess, who are bent on electing mostly stale white bread that has some style to it, but little substance, and tastes vaguely of black face. That and having candidates that I can't vote for despite generally preferring that party overall. I voted for the fucking Green Party this time because my local NDP candidate is a shit and the Liberals didn't deliver on electoral reform, though they did present a decent enough platform, I guess. Closest to protest voting I've ever done. Didn't matter, of course, because my riding is an NDP stronghold so their candidate won almost immediately. Fucking hell I want electoral reform, and something other than first past the post.
Though I guess Brexit wouldn't have happened here, because our referendum system is more... weighted against massive change. Not a bad idea. Feel sad for Britain, as their system works worse than the one proposed in Monty Python and the Holy Grail:
Dennis: We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as sort-of-executive officer for the week-- Arthur: Yes. Dennis: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting-- Arthur: Yes, I see. Dennis: By a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs-- Arthur: [getting bored] Be quiet. Dennis: But by a two thirds majority, in the case of more major--
Then again, we could have had a decent fucking bit of electoral reform in this province some years ago, but we didn't get the 60% majority needed despite getting over 50%, so maybe Britain has a point.
Speaking of the Left Wing being fucking idiots, I've a funny story. Let me tell you of the most Communist thing to ever Communist.
Canada has Communists in it. In fact, we had Communists on the ballot for the last election. But its not a big party, and the NDP manage to be more Socialist without being utterly insane. But they're not good enough for the Communists. The Communists really do need their own parties.
Yes.
Parties.
Because Communists are fucking bureaucrats with their heads so far up their own asses they managed to split their own vote further. That's right. There was what seems to have been some minor personal and doctrinal disagreements... and the party split in half. Split their vote in half too. If there is anything more Communist than destroying yourself over minor disagreements, I don't know what is.
They even split the vote so much they didn't even appear on most rankings... and were beaten out by the People's Party, a fascist party whose candidate in my riding was a high school friend of my "secretly" "socialist" mother (who was a little surprised when she heard that, but only a little. I also make fun of her by playing the soviet national anthem whenever she says something vaguely red coloured about politics).
Though to be fair, the People's Party did split off from the Conservatives and take just enough of the vote from them to fuck over their chances in some very close races... while also not gaining a single seat. Hilarious to see it happen to the right wing for once, but a rarity.
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Post by StyxD on Dec 30, 2019 19:35:49 GMT
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 30, 2019 21:12:53 GMT
Hahahahahahah.
Oh I shouldn't laugh, because people are going to suffer for it, but hey, they voted for it so... good for them.
The sooner Scotland leaves, the better for them.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 3, 2020 4:42:32 GMT
Trump just blew up the second most powerful man in Iran, somehow this is supposed to deter Iranian aggression, I assume this is supposed to deter Iranian aggression, because Trump's been making a big deal about getting the US out of the Middle East since long before he ran for president.
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Post by StyxD on Jan 3, 2020 8:24:41 GMT
That's just the news I love waking up to after a terrible night's sleep.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 3, 2020 16:17:12 GMT
At least you didn't read it before bed.
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