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Post by wordweaver3 on Jan 9, 2015 12:34:17 GMT
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Post by Horsie on Jan 9, 2015 13:23:15 GMT
That's messed up.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 9, 2015 13:27:08 GMT
It looks like they've got them all cornered now, but they have hostages; the two brothers are holed up at a business in an industrial estate, but have a hostage, and the guy who shot a policewoman yesterday has taken women and children hostage at a kosher market.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jan 9, 2015 13:33:59 GMT
That's a bad spot for the hostages. These guys might not be willing to be taken alive and they've already proven they're willing to kill.
I'm wondering if it's going to get worse from here on out. Who knows how many sleeper cells there are?
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Post by Horsie on Jan 9, 2015 13:37:23 GMT
The two brothers have made it clear that they won't be taken alive, and I doubt the second one will either.
These three people knew each other, but I agree, it's going to get worse.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 9, 2015 17:05:19 GMT
Commandos hit both locations simultaneously, killed all three gunmen, freed the one hostage at one location, and a number of hostages at the market.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 9, 2015 17:24:51 GMT
Well, that is good at least.
I haven't heard any mention of hostage casualties yet, from what I've read.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 9, 2015 17:27:23 GMT
At least four at the market, although it sounds like they were kill when he opened fire when he walked into the market.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 9, 2015 17:29:01 GMT
Ah. But they weren't actually being kept as hostages.
Still, not as good as I had hoped.
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Post by Harkovast on Jan 10, 2015 4:33:12 GMT
Double hostage situations just sounds insane to say. On paper it sounds like a plot twist from an episode of 24. Unfortunately terrorists operate so far outside of any normal human morality that there really is no upper limit on the excesses of violence they can justify to themselves.
In related news, Rush Limbaugh has weighed in on what happened to complain about John Kerry kissing up to the French too much and even SPEAKING French, something Rush has always hated/resented about him. Rush doesn't trust anyone with those kind of French sympathies. I mean, whose side is Kerry really on, huh? No, I am not joking and yes that was really what Rush was talking about. So exactly the level of class we've come to expect from him
Also jumping in to make a fool of himself as usual was failed business man, comb over enthusiast and reality tv star Donald Trump. He explain that French gun control laws were to blame, since if the people attacked had all been armed, they would have had a fighting chance. Other than the attempt to score political points off a tragedy being repulsive...does Donald Trump bring a gun to the office? Are we to assume from this that he and his employees have loaded firearms on their desks at all times in case of terrorist attack? I've worked in America and I'm pretty sure we weren't allowed to bring fire arms into the call centre. Trump appears to be demanding that guns not just be legal, but some how compulsory, so we all have them at all times. Or maybe he is just a moron.
Closer to home, the leader of UKIP (The United Kingdom Independence party), who are the new more respectable face of racism over here, decided to get in on the act. The act being saying stupid shit about the terrorist attacks of course. Nigel Farage said they were caused by immigration and multiculturalism, showing that he could equal Rush and Trump for stupid and inappropriate and bring in some of his trade mark racist implications as well.
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Post by Harkovast on Jan 10, 2015 4:38:02 GMT
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 10, 2015 4:46:13 GMT
It isn't like the French ever helped the US achieve anything important, eh Rush?
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Post by Horsie on Jan 10, 2015 5:02:11 GMT
One of my comrades got into it with an American who said the same thing, that there wouldn't have been a terrorist attack if people in France could have concealed weapons.
First she asked him if he was John McClane. Once it was established that no, he wasn't John McClane, she asked if he really thought he could draw and fire a pistol worn concealed under his jacket to shoot two men in the head (to avoid hitting their ballistic vests) who were already aiming assault rifles at him, before they could open fire.
I'm keen on guns, really keen, and I wouldn't mind having the right to carry a pistol, but I don't get when some Americans look at a situation like this and say "If those people had guns they wouldn't be dead", or my favourite "If I'd been there...". I mean, not only is that just a shit thing to say, but it misses the point.
I don't give a fuck if you've got the perfect, most accurate, most powerful concealable pistol money can buy, and you're the reincarnation of Annie bloody Oakley, if two guys are standing a short distance away dressed in flak jackets and aiming loaded AKs at you with their fingers on their triggers, you've already lost.
Not sure why the French get so much hate from Rush either; they've got the highest military spending in Western Europe (and I think they're only behind the US, China, and Russia in global spending), and when they get provoked to action they don't use half-measures; just look at the situation over the last two days, they reportedly had nearly 100'000 police and military personnel on standby in and around Paris alone, news footage today showed vast seas of blue, black, rifle barrels.
In just over 2 days there was the equivalent of 5 infantry divisions of police, soldiers, and special forces deployed, and they killed all three terrorists and saved all hostages who weren't killed when the attacks were initiated. He'd be saying something completely different if it was on US soil, and the US military and police had put a stop to it.
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Post by TempestFennac on Jan 10, 2015 6:24:06 GMT
I agree with Renard's comments about why people having more guns probably wouldn't be practical here, unless people happened to have enough of a warning to draw their weapons and hide so they could shoot the terrorists as soon as they came into view (I'm assuming armour-piercing ammo isn't legally available in America as well? As or Farage's comments, this strikes me as being about as inane as the time he blamed immigration for huge traffic jams which made him ridiculously late for one personal appearance (given how a lot of muslims had presumably already moved into France decades before problems with Islamofascism started, and the fact that the terrorists were, as far as I can tell, French, immigration is probably completely irrelevant).
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Post by StyxD on Jan 10, 2015 13:44:58 GMT
At least people like him are fair and say the same things about America. Whenever there's a mass shooting in the US, they claim that it would not have happened if every single victim and witness there was armed with their own personal gun.
Many people say so (about immigration and multiculturalism) and I don't know if I disagree anymore. What do you yourself think is the cause of such incidents? Or ISIS supporters from Europe?
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