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Post by Harkovast on Mar 17, 2015 1:23:11 GMT
Look, I'm not saying Obama is the Anti-Christ... ... but yeah he's totally the Anti-Christ.Every bit of this is awesome. My favourite is a line after 9 minutes saying that Jesus would not turn the other cheek to terrorism. |
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 17, 2015 2:06:26 GMT
So... Barack Obama's name means "Lightning from the High Place"?
That is... totally awesome.
Also... uh, ancient Hebrew sounds a lot like Tolkien's Dwarfish. "Barak ai Khazad! Khazad ai menu!"
And no, Aramaic was not ancient Hebrew... it was a different language which the Jews spoke, but was not Hebrew.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Mar 17, 2015 3:01:57 GMT
Is that credit card valid? Cuz you can totally read it.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Mar 17, 2015 3:17:53 GMT
...Jesus would not turn the other cheek to terrorism. I don't think he would. "Turn the other cheek" is his answer for a man who says his master strikes him. In biblical times a man would only strike a lesser with the back of his right hand (since the left is used for other purposes). He wouldn't strike the mouth for risk of injuring the hand and it was socially unacceptable to do so. He also wouldn't strike with an open palm since that was also socially unacceptable. By turning the other cheek the man would be inviting his master to strike him with a closed fist, as he would an equal. Remember that Jesus routinely traveled with people that were armed. If "turn the other cheek" was his philosophy there wouldn't be any need for weapons. |
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 17, 2015 3:37:07 GMT
We have no idea how Jesus would actually have run a state.
Though if you were to be consistent, he'd probably be a mass murderer who focused on killing or enslaving everyone who wasn't Jewish. Just like when that gentile woman was begging for help and he only grudgingly and eventually helped her after saying that gentiles must eat the scraps from the Jews.
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Post by Harkovast on Mar 17, 2015 4:03:17 GMT
I think Jesus says whatever the people taking about him want him to say.
He's violent or he's peaceful, he's loving or he's angry, he is mad at the rich or he's pleased with the rich etc.
I've hundreds of different versions of Jesus and they all had only one thing in common.
They all hated Barrack Obama AKA THE ANTI CHRIST! HE SAID HAIL SATAN YOU ALL HEARD HIM!
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Post by wordweaver3 on Mar 17, 2015 4:03:55 GMT
I can't say I understand all of scripture, or even that I've actually studied it in depth beyond just reading it. I always run into parts that make me throw up my hands and go "what the fuck?". I'm pretty sure that it's been muddled with and translated so many times that most of the meaning is lost.
But I've always liked the "turn the other cheek" part, even if it probably isn't what he said in the first place.
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 17, 2015 4:20:20 GMT
Turn the other cheek was entirely based on context. The Jews were under Roman control, they were not in charge of their own state. Contextually it doesn't mean that turning the other cheek means to always be non-violent. It meant that resisting the Roman occupation was dumb and that the Jews should follow the laws. However, in a context where the Jews were the ones in charge, things would likely be quite different.
At least that is what one of those philosopher types said. Was it Spinoza? Or Paine? I don't think it was Paine. Might have been one of the English ones. Anyway, point is that "turn the other cheek" almost certainly doesn't apply in all circumstances and may have just been more on the theme of "render unto Ceasar."
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 17, 2015 5:25:38 GMT
Oh. This is too good. A joke, I hope, but funny.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Mar 17, 2015 13:07:41 GMT
That one has been around since he was first running for president.
Though it might explain why we never got to see the body of Bin Laden
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Post by Harkovast on Mar 17, 2015 13:47:30 GMT
Does this mean Obama killed HIMSELF and then used him demonic powers to come back to life, thus fulfilling biblical prophecy about this evil one, AKA HIM!
The thing I always find odd about Bible prophecy, is if you assume the book of revelaton is a list of things that are yet to happen, it raises some odd questions.
The Bible tells of several things the anti Christ will do... okay it doesn't, the bible doesn't actually contain a single figure called the anti Christ, people have to do lots of interpretation to make that work. But if we take revelation as predictions of future events involving the anti Christ as many Christians seem to...couldn't the evil one just choose NOT to do some of that stuff?
Like if he decides not to rebuild Babylon? Or doesn't go with that whole "mark of the beast idea? I mean the anti Christ would surely know what the bible says, right? He's not an idiot we assume. Only he reads it from the point of view of knowing the God in there is real etc.
So why is he playing along?
The most obvious course of action would be to simply do things differently and screw up Gods plans, thus rendering the bible wrong and making God look stupid.
Or does the anti Christ lack free will to do this?
If he does, then he's not really evil...if he can't choose what he does then good and evil are impossible, by definition.
So then he's just doing what he was programmed to do...programmed by God.
So saying he is evil and God is good would seem to be like saying that if I plant a car bomb, the bomb is evil but I am good.
And if the future has already been written, that means none of us have free will, only the illusion of free will. The results of our actions are already decided, and we are just acting out the program that has been made for us in advance.
Now it might be that free will is an illusion, that is possible with or without a God...but this implies that God is basically playing chess against himself.
There is no battle against evil, God just set things up so some people would be bad and go to hell, while others would be good and follow him an now he is just pushing his toys around on the board to the script he already wrote.
The devil isn't against God in this scenario, any more than me holding a Cobra Commander toy and making him say "I hate Hark! Cobra will destroy his webcomic! Bwahahah!" means Cobra Commander is really my enemy.
Anything good we go is because God programmed that in advance, and the same for anything bad.
None of us have any responsibility, any more than a puppet can be blamed for how the puppeteer pulls its strings.
Except Obama.
Obama is totally to blame.
Going back to my original video post here, I also enjoyed when he starts saying Obama is obviously gay and that he has an "evil angry face" that you see sometimes.
When I think of Obama, I think angry gay anti Christ.
The video also runs into problems when it starts to confuse its conspiracies.
He talks about Benghazi and how Obama let the soldiers die etc. But if Obama is the anti Christ, why would he do that?
Assuming what the guy says is all true and Obama on purpose got them killed, the question still remains as to why.
Other than a general "I'm evil, watch me kick the dog!" kind of behaviour, getting a handful of American soldiers killed isn't in Bible prophecy and it doesn't help his cause of as the anti Christ. If anything it hurts his cause by making him seem incompetent.
Normally people explain Benghazi being deliberate by saying Obama is a Muslim who is trying to help kill Americans because he loves terrorism.
Now that's kinda insane, but it as least fits the scenario here.
If Obama is the anti Christ, there is nothing to gain from doing this, other than doing it for the yucks.
I always felt conservatives over reached with Benghazi and blew their big chance.
They could have said Obama was incompetent or indecisive, that he handled the situation badly, hesitated and people got killed.
I am not saying that's right or wrong, but it would make sense as a potential criticism.
But so many jumped to the conclusion that is was deliberate and Obama was some how laughing about the victory of his Muslim minions that it made the whole case seem dumb.
The accusations became so wild and crazy within conservative circles that to outsiders the whole thing seemed like crank nonsense.
Whether any of the criticisms were valid or not, the crazy ones came to drown out the believable ones and torpedoed he whole thing.
The end result was people who already hated Obama carried on hating him, and those that didn't dismissed the matter as crazy conspiracy.
Mind you, in the video I posted the guy also refers to Obama as gay, a muslim and an atheist, so maybe he is just trying to help us play some kind of Obama drinking game.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Mar 17, 2015 15:18:44 GMT
I think a theologian would say that we do have free will, but since God is not bound by the same constraints of time and space as we are, he already knows what we are going to do. He allows us to make those decisions, be they wrong or right, because we have free will.
Of course this can easily be made into a "chicken and the egg" argument. Is this free will or divine providence? Am I making these wrong decisions because I want to or because God made me into a person that makes wrong decisions? If Satan is influencing these decisions why isn't God influencing from the other direction? Maybe he is and I just don't notice it. And if he's doing that, do I really have free will? If he knows what I'm going to do anyway, but he's still trying to influence me to do otherwise, is his foresight fallible or is he wasting effort on a fruitless venture?
Maybe it's like the God in Futurama told Bender, "If you do things just right, nobody knows if you've done anything at all".
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Post by Harkovast on Mar 17, 2015 15:39:49 GMT
I always think of Dr Manhattan in Watchmen, who sees all time happening at once so knows everything that has happened and will happen.
When asked if he could just choose to do things differently he says something like "I'm still a puppet, I can just see my strings."
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Post by StyxD on Mar 17, 2015 17:48:37 GMT
Though if you were to be consistent, he'd probably be a mass murderer who focused on killing or enslaving everyone who wasn't Jewish. Just like when that gentile woman was begging for help and he only grudgingly and eventually helped her after saying that gentiles must eat the scraps from the Jews. C'mon, Canouvea. I know you've been on an anti-Christian stint lately, but even you must see that this is a huge leap of logic, from helping grudgingly to genocide. |
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Post by Harkovast on Mar 17, 2015 18:25:26 GMT
StyxD to be fair, if we go by the old testament, that is basically what the ancient Jews were like.
A lot of people get exterminated for crimes such as living in a place the Jews want to live or failing to have the right religion.
And God is not only okay with it, he actively commands it.
God punishes some people for failing to kill their enemies totally and allowing some of them to escape.
Another interesting element of the old testament is that the God in that bit of the bible is very much a tribal God.
He is the God of the Jews, not anyone else. There is no effort in the old testament to preach to other people or convert them, it just isn't their God.
God cares about his own chosen people, other people are not his concern.
No one ever tried to tell the Philistines or any of those other poor bastards they kill off about the good news.
The only person more violent than those guys is OBAMA THE ANTI CHRIST!
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