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Post by Harkovast on Jul 12, 2017 17:31:47 GMT
StyxD what was the character? Maybe it can be made to work?
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Post by StyxD on Jul 16, 2017 16:52:16 GMT
Well, my strange idea was of a Cansaibe woman who was born with a very strong dark magic talent. Her community's elders decided that such magic can't be let to go to waste, so she was trained to be a warrior. But to try to preserve traditional gender roles, she was outwardly raised to be a boy. (This part was kind of inspired by Mushusdu.) However, instead of becoming an obedient soldier, she took advantage of her situation to further bend and break social taboos that inconvenienced her (for example, she took a wife). To those who don't know who she really is, she's just another highly-skilled warriors. To those who know, she's at best a highly useful abomination. So she's tolerated for now.
At least that was the kind of raw gist of it.
It's more of a thought experiment than a character that would play well (though I'm sure she could). Still, since Hark said that more roles are being open for women due to current hardships (which is reasonable), she'd be more likely just to be trained as a female warrior, without the troublesome convolutions.
Plus, someone somewhere could consider this transphobic.
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Post by Harkovast on Jul 17, 2017 0:04:28 GMT
First off...how the fuck is that transphobic? There is no one transexual even in that story!
Second, I like it. The concept is interesting to me. The village she is from could be very conservative and the Judges in charge don't want women doing male roles, so come up with a loop hole so they consider her a man and thus it doesn't count. It could actually be a thing that she has to do traditionally male things, like marrying the wife of fellow dead warrior (even though shes not gay) because otherwise that would mean a woman was fighting for their village which would be a dishonour. Even other cansaibe could think this is taking things a bit far, but it is technically acceptable under cansaibe law. Since she is representing her village as a matter of honour, she would have to act the part of a man, even if it might seem ridiculous to outsiders, because otherwise it would shame her family and friends back home. Admittedly her village would have no way of knowing what she was doing while out in the world, but cansaibe are followers of Thane and don't half ass their honour codes!
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Post by StyxD on Jul 17, 2017 18:59:01 GMT
First off...how the fuck is that transphobic? There is no one transexual even in that story! You'll get what I mean when I post the rant I was planning for ages in the feminism thread. I guess I can do it this week, finally, why not. But to be fair, I haven't decided how to handle gender in this case. Just a woman pretending to be a man? Actually enjoying it? Genderfluid? It could actually be a thing that she has to do traditionally male things, like marrying the wife of fellow dead warrior (even though shes not gay) because otherwise that would mean a woman was fighting for their village which would be a dishonour. Actually, my idea was that she would be gay and just taking advantage of her situation. I don't know the details of this "marrying the wife of a fallen comrade" deal (you do), but I assumed there are usually many squadmates eligible for that. It could be that the judges would instruct her not to do it unless absolutely necessary, since this would be taking this too far. And then she'd do it anyway, and they'd have no real way of stopping her.
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Post by Harkovast on Jul 17, 2017 23:05:42 GMT
I thought it being uncomfortable but she has to do it would be funnier. If she is okay with her situation it will pretty much not come up, as outside of other cansaibe she is just a warrior. If she is honour bound to do something she doesn't like but feels she has to out of duty (something which to outsiders seems ridiculous) it would have potential for comedy and pathos. And then she can give a really moving speech about how you might think these traditions are a joke, but her people have been robbed of everything by their enemies, and their sacred traditions are all they have left to hold onto. And then its actually kind of a sad thing that this weird, absurd seeming behaviour is like an important thing to her.
If shes just okay with the arrangement than to outsiders ie everyone she meets in the game, she will just seem totally normal, unless its a game set amongst cansaibe.
I was thinking of it as someone being pushed into a weird role because of societal preassure form their very constrictive culture, rather than someone who is actual transexual.
I mean you could play it that way, but it seems a bit like they lucked out in the lottery to be transexual and being given an out to do that by a quirk of a society that normally has very strong gender roles.
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Post by Canuovea on Jul 18, 2017 2:24:55 GMT
Well, it could still work if she were gay or bi, since she'd have internalized how bad being those things actually is.
So she'd want it, maybe, but she'd also be super uncomfortable with not just that situation but her own sexuality.
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Post by Harkovast on Jul 18, 2017 3:28:18 GMT
Yeah it could work like that, but I was thinking that considering how strange a situation it already is, you probably dont want to over complicated it with more issues. Legally required to pretend to be a man AND secretly gay just feels like adding unnecessary stuff to something.
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Jul 18, 2017 4:12:28 GMT
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Post by StyxD on Jul 18, 2017 4:12:28 GMT
I get where you're coming from, Hark.
My idea was aimed mostly at messing with the Cansaibe society (I don't really get enough messing with the society in real life), while yours is admittedly better at generating character conflict, since she'd be carrying the discomfort with herself on adventures. It seems to be a better choice for a standalone character.
I'll think about it.
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Post by Harkovast on Jul 18, 2017 13:08:48 GMT
The more I think about this idea, the more I like it. I didn't really go into the idea of how Cansaibe deal with the need to relax their strict gender roles.
I'm going to make this a thing they just do.
All Cansaibe women who do male roles dress and get identified as men. If another Cansaibe addresses them as a woman, that's a shocking social error and would get you shamed (as you would be calling into question Cansaibe morals in general!) Cansaibe have a thing of having traditions that you have to do, even though you don't like it (the whole marrying people you dont love to support them and arranged marriages are pretty normal amongst them.) So the idea that the women have to jump through a weird hoop to be allowed to be warriors fits in.
Foreigners might get Cansaibe warriors genders wrong, because they are dumb barbarians who don't understand proper laws and conduct. Having women fight in your army would be immoral, after all that is something those filthy Tolpish Barbarians do! Cansaibe would NEVER have a woman be a warrior. Any Cansaibe warrior is (legally) a man.
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