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Post by demonnachos on Mar 28, 2016 7:14:19 GMT
Goes about as well as you'd think.
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 28, 2016 7:19:52 GMT
...Scary.
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Post by demonnachos on Mar 28, 2016 21:09:13 GMT
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Post by Horsie on Mar 28, 2016 21:10:33 GMT
I think a lot of (or maybe even most) military semi and full-auto rifles have free floating firing pins. The important part is that they have a way to prevent the rifle from firing out of battery. Your M1 carbine has a bolt very similar to the M1 Garand bolt, it ought to have a 90 degree bend at the rear that prevents it from protruding through the hole in the bolt face unless the bolt is locked. The AR15 bolt head moves back lightly into the bolt carrier when it rotates to engage the locking recesses, until then the firing pin can't protrude through the bolt face.
On an AR15 it shouldn't be an issue unless the channel inside the bolt carrier gets so jammed with shit that the firing pin is stuck forward even after the bolt stops at the rear of its travel, but on your M1 carbine I think the firing pin ought to cam against part of the receiver as the bolt unlocks, withdrawing it from the bolt face, so there'd have to be something broken on the rifle for it to slamfire.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Mar 29, 2016 2:43:10 GMT
1911s are like ARs, people wanna shoot everything through em.
Though I imagine a 12 gauge would bend your wrist quite painfully.
It seems most military rifle firing pins are free floating, so I guess it isn't an issue. Still gonna avoid running ammo dry in the house though.
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Post by Horsie on Mar 29, 2016 2:48:14 GMT
Probably a good idea. I think I saw .30 carbine dummy rounds online somewhere a while ago, I can't remember where it was though.
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Post by Horsie on Mar 30, 2016 2:59:03 GMT
I've never heard of this one before, the CETME Ameli; Kind of surprising, it's been in service since the mid-80s. From what I've read it sounds like it's basically a roller delayed blowback version of the MG42, only slightly smaller, much lighter, and chambered for 5.56mm. I'm not normally the kind of guy who'd want an MG, but if I could have one I think I'd like to have one of these, only problem is that I'd burn through ammo pretty fast.
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Post by demonnachos on Mar 30, 2016 3:06:09 GMT
The shooter's laugh after firing is almost adorable.
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Post by Horsie on Mar 30, 2016 3:11:34 GMT
That's probably how I would react too, I've handled an MG34, but I've always wanted to fire an MG42, they're fast and they look mean, but 5.56mm would be pretty slick too (it would cost a lot less fire).
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Post by demonnachos on Mar 30, 2016 3:13:41 GMT
I wouldn't mind one in .22LR honestly, cheap and plentiful which is helpful when dumping so much downrange.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Mar 30, 2016 5:03:57 GMT
The .22 LR has some pretty amazing capabilities for what it is and as such there have been attempts to bring it to war, but the drawbacks of rimfire have always bit it in the ass. It still found a lot of use as a training round and police enforcement though. www.guns.com/2013/05/16/5-rimfire-subguns-ready-for-war/
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Post by demonnachos on Mar 31, 2016 6:08:20 GMT
Tank drift battle on ice
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Post by Horsie on Apr 1, 2016 23:10:46 GMT
I can see it working as a training and police round, or for use in prisons, situations where a full power rifle cartridge isn't necessary or isn't desired, but I think a military application might be asking a bit much even without the drawbacks of rimfire. Personally I don't think I'd be too keen on an SMG that can lay down a lot of fire, but needs to lay down a lot of fire to make up for having really poor single-shot stopping power.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 2, 2016 9:31:15 GMT
The truth is that all SMGs have poor one shot stopping power. There's no two ways about it, a pistol round is inferior to a rifle round. It's for this very reason that they are designed with high firing rates coupled with an attempt to control recoil in the hopes that they put multiple wounds in the same general vicinity as quickly as possible. In the vid you can see how incredibly easy it is to control the AM 180 in full auto. The gun basically shoots wherever you want it to. That would be like getting hit non stop with buckshot. Even if you were wearing body armor you'd be in a lot of trouble.
This is one of the reasons why I've wondered why nobody ever experimented with a more powerful version of .25 ACP. Something in the .22 magnum power range without the drawback of rimfire would have obvious advantages in close quarters weaponry. Extremely high rate of fire, high magazine capacity, low recoil, low weight, lower heat generation. The ability to easily carry thousands of rounds of ammunition instead of just several hundred. Sure, the one shot stopping power would be poor, but when you can put dozens of shots on target in a second, who cares?
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Post by Horsie on Apr 2, 2016 10:35:27 GMT
Okay, that makes sense.
I'm not sure what's available for centrefire that has a similar weight and power to the .22mag.
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