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Post by Horsie on Apr 21, 2016 8:56:34 GMT
Better than me, I've just got a pile of shit in my Jeep; a tarpaulin full of bullet holes, a towel, lighter fluid, matches, 3 sets of bootlaces, 100' of paracord, a box full of files, spanners, and screwdrivers, 2 sets of hex keys, 200rnds 12guage birdshot shells, 5rnds of 12guage 000 buckshot, 80rnds of 30-06, 250rnds of .38spl, 50rnds of .38S&W, 2000rnds of .22LR, expired painkillers, a few rolls of medical tape, and a pair of very sharp scissors.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 21, 2016 9:17:04 GMT
Is that where you store your ammo? That Jeep catches fire and it'll be a hell of a fireworks show.
I keep thinking about putting a gun in the trunk and just leaving it for emergencies, but I'm loathe to leave a firearm unattended even if it is locked in a trunk. I'm also not sure which gun I would do that with. It'd have to be one I don't care if it gets damaged in a collision but it would still have to be reliable enough to trust in an emergency. My two main contenders are my Taurus model 82 and the Hi-Point 4095ts. The Taurus takes up less space and is rock solid in reliability, but its range, power, and capacity is more limited than the Hi-Point. The Taurus is also less likely to get damaged in a collision, but it's also easier for someone to make off with if the trunk were pried open. The Hi-Point would be very conspicuous if someone tried that.
Though I could get a lock box that bolted or cabled into the trunk.
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Post by Horsie on Apr 21, 2016 15:21:36 GMT
No, the pistol ammo tends to slide under the back seats where I can't see it, the 30-06 is in a belt that I sometimes forget about. The only stuff I really mean to leave out there is the shotgun shells, because I don't feel like carrying a case of the things back and forth every weekend.
Since it's already in the trunk it's already going to take a minute to get to it, might as well put it in a box so it's harder to steal.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 21, 2016 16:37:05 GMT
I'd like to install a small biometric safe in the car within reach of the drivers seat, but I haven't found a safe that I trust to actually work. When doing research on them there's a distressingly high amount of reviews that claim a lot of them to be buggy (fail to open, open without correct fingerprint). Even the good ones I'm worried about how the electronics will stand up to extreme temperatures in a vehicle.
Also my current car is so small there isn't any good place to install a safe where it isn't either obvious it's there or will get in the way. Although I am looking for a new vehicle and I'm keeping the idea of a bio safe in mind while looking at them.
Part of the reason I'm thinking about this right now is I've had a few scares lately where someone was following me when I left work. If I keep it in the trunk it's not much use to me, if I keep it in the glove compartment someone might steal it out of the car when I'm at work since I'm in and out all the time and I don't always lock the vehicle.
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Post by Horsie on Apr 22, 2016 20:53:47 GMT
I'd be uneasy with a biometric safe, complicated stuff tends tends not to work when yu ynned it to. I use combolocks, set ombo close to wat it's ssupposed to be, so I can turn one tumbler and open it. I do that with my tolbox at work, with triger locks, not sure if youd be comfterble doing tht with a gun safe in your cr though.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 23, 2016 10:34:52 GMT
I'd like a safe I can access without needing to look or without fumbling with a key since most of the time I'm in my car it's dark. A good candidate seems to be the GunVault SV500 since it has large buttons that you can feel in the dark. It also has a biometric lock available. Unlike a lot of other mini safes it presents the gun in a ready position instead of having to reach in and fumble around for it. The problem is there's no real good place to mount this on my car except where it will be in the way and in view of anyone that looks in the window. When I get a new vehicle I'm gonna keep in mind I want enough space between the seats or inside the center counsel for some type of safe. For the time being I'll probably go with a simple cablelocked box I can slide under the seat when I'm not in the car.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 23, 2016 11:08:41 GMT
Though on further research I don't think it's legal to have a loaded gun in a safe in the car unless it's in either the trunk, center council, or glove box. There's no way that safe will fit in the glove box, there is no center council in my car, and the trunk is too far away to be of use in most instances.
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Post by Horsie on Apr 23, 2016 13:55:38 GMT
That's fucked up. Why wouldn't it be enough to have it locked in a box?
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Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 23, 2016 21:30:01 GMT
I'm not sure. It's weird that it's perfectly okay for me to throw a loaded gun in the plastic glove box that doesn't lock, but the law doesn't make any exception for mounting a steel safe in the car. I read somewhere that it has to do with the lack of open carry laws so the safe can't be visible, but as far as I can tell having it under the seat is also illegal even if you have a CWP. Irritatingly difficult to be responsible in this state.
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Post by Horsie on Apr 23, 2016 21:35:15 GMT
But you can have the safe in the car without a loaded gun in it, and that would be legal. How is having a gun locked in a case in the car considered open carry? Around here we can't transport loaded firearms, but I can wrap a shotgun in a towel and put it in the front seat of my Jeep and that's legal.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 23, 2016 21:53:08 GMT
The law that allows you to carry a gun in the car is very short but explicit about where you can carry it. It does not stipulate loaded or unloaded. So as far as I can tell that first safe is an illegal carry even if the weapon is unloaded as the separate ammo/mag holder allows. It would still be illegal even if there was no ammo in the car at all.
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Post by Horsie on Apr 23, 2016 21:57:03 GMT
That's ridiculous. I guess the idea is that they don't want people to carry a pistol in their car and just leave it out in the open where someone can see it, but you'd think they'd make provisions for transporting it in a case that hides it from view.
It sounds like that would make it illegal for me to transport my pistols to the range in my Jeep; I can't fit them all in the glove compartment, and it doesn't have a "trunk", just a space to put things.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 24, 2016 6:34:32 GMT
The law does give you some leeway there, as any vehicle that doesn't have a proper "trunk" (hatchbacks, jeeps, pick-ups) can carry a firearm in the luggage compartment, which it defines as the space behind the rearmost seat, provided it's kept in a case with an integral locking mechanism.
Or, y'know, you could just toss it into the glove compartment and forget about it.
Laws tend to be made by drooling idiots without any real world experience.
I came up with two ideas to secure a firearm in my car with the given laws. One is to put the gun in the glove compartment as is legal, but secure the gun to the car with a length of cable. Install a lanyard ring to the base of the Taurus 82 and attach maybe 10 feet of lightweight cable so there's enough room to maneuver around with it. While this may prevent the gun from leaving the car (or at least getting very far away from it) it has a lot of flaws. First if someone tries to take the gun by force (trying to snap the cable) there's a good chance they'll shoot themselves if they don't unload it first. Second, while they won't be able to take off with the gun the cable won't impede their ability to use the gun on me or others nearby. Third, the cable can get caught on stuff in the car and and reduce or eliminate the limited mobility it already has. Fourth, if I need to take it away from the car for some reason I can't.
The other idea is to create a center counsel where mine doesn't have one. Basically all it has is a cupholder and a place to throw some change. I could cut that away and bolt a box in it's place, call it a center counsel, and hope that works. Then I could install a safe into that box and hope I'm legal.
Maybe I can just paint an ammo can the same color as my interior and bolt it between the seats.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 24, 2016 8:33:01 GMT
Here's some food for thought regarding the .22lr for defensive use. www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/foghorn/ask-foghorn-22l-for-self-defense/I've been feeling more and more confident with all my pistols, but the one that shocks me every time I shoot it is my little Taurus 94. The little snub 9 round .22 simply does not miss at any standard engagement ranges. Even shooting single handed with double action I can keep all the shots inside the head of a silluette target at 10 yards. A feat I can't do with the Bersa BP9 unless I use both hands, and that gun is a tack driver. I can also shoot the 94 with my off hand quite well, which I can't say for anything else I have. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the lack of recoil with the .22, which always make me feel like a wuss, but I think it also has to do with the small grip I put on the 94. I can really sink it into my hand and hold it steady. It's nice to know that if I want to go with the gun I'm most confident in the .22lr has sufficient capabilities to justify that choice.
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Post by Horsie on Apr 24, 2016 15:11:20 GMT
I assume that means I'd still be okay if I folded the back seats down on my Jeep? Is that "integral locking mechanism" thing important, would you get in trouble if you put it in a pistol case with a padlock on it?
Things always get fucked up when they start getting weirdly specific about these things. I'm thankful that the laws here only say that I have to transport my pistols in a case that's not easily opened (which is vague enough to mean nearly anything), and there has to be a lock of some kind on it. I sometimes use a small plastic pistol case with a luggage lock, other times I use something like a small briefcase with two integral combo locks, my friend uses a toolbox.
I'd be pretty wary about securing it to the car like that. If you coiled up the cable there's still a chance that it would get tangled, or it might snag on the gun when you're trying to get it out of the glove compartment, it creates the risk that you mightn't even be able to get it out properly.
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