Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 24, 2016 19:05:06 GMT
The cable idea was awful, forget I brought it up.
I misquoted it to you. It says "integral fastener", which basically means as long as the container has some type of way of remaining closed on its own.
secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle
When I first read it I thought that "in a closed container secured by an integral fastener" meant that I could have it anywhere in the car provided it was in a closed container. Then someone pointed out that there's an "and" there, meaning that part was specific to transportation in luggage compartments only, which it poorly clarifies earlier in a subsection that a "luggage area is the space behind the rearmost seat". Meaning I guess you could turn everything behind your front seat of your Jeep into a "luggage area or possibly compartment" by removing the back seat.
I did just find that they have amended the law slightly last year by adding:
If the person has been issued a concealed weapon permit pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, then the person also may secure his weapon under a seat in a vehicle, or in any open or closed storage compartment within the vehicle's passenger compartment
Which gives a CWP owner a lot more options. Which is great, cuz guess what?
The law still seems needlessly specific along with purposefully vague. Does "secure his weapon under a seat" mean make completely inaccessible to others, IE a safe, or just securely hidden out of view? Also, it specifies a gender so I guess it doesn't apply to women. It also has compartment restrictions. Open or closed, they must still be in a compartment. Do they have to be integral to the vehicle? Can I put a cardboard box on the floor, toss a gun in there and call it a "compartment"? Is a safe a "compartment"? Apparently I can simply toss it on the seat or floor on the passenger side since it's all labeled as a "compartment".
Why can't these idiots put a couple minutes into writing these laws?
I misquoted it to you. It says "integral fastener", which basically means as long as the container has some type of way of remaining closed on its own.
secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle
When I first read it I thought that "in a closed container secured by an integral fastener" meant that I could have it anywhere in the car provided it was in a closed container. Then someone pointed out that there's an "and" there, meaning that part was specific to transportation in luggage compartments only, which it poorly clarifies earlier in a subsection that a "luggage area is the space behind the rearmost seat". Meaning I guess you could turn everything behind your front seat of your Jeep into a "luggage area or possibly compartment" by removing the back seat.
I did just find that they have amended the law slightly last year by adding:
If the person has been issued a concealed weapon permit pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, then the person also may secure his weapon under a seat in a vehicle, or in any open or closed storage compartment within the vehicle's passenger compartment
Which gives a CWP owner a lot more options. Which is great, cuz guess what?
The law still seems needlessly specific along with purposefully vague. Does "secure his weapon under a seat" mean make completely inaccessible to others, IE a safe, or just securely hidden out of view? Also, it specifies a gender so I guess it doesn't apply to women. It also has compartment restrictions. Open or closed, they must still be in a compartment. Do they have to be integral to the vehicle? Can I put a cardboard box on the floor, toss a gun in there and call it a "compartment"? Is a safe a "compartment"? Apparently I can simply toss it on the seat or floor on the passenger side since it's all labeled as a "compartment".
Why can't these idiots put a couple minutes into writing these laws?