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Post by Horsie on May 4, 2016 14:26:14 GMT
Yeah, it'd make more sense just to have a .410 in that case.
I've never seen the Norinco copy. We do get a lot of Chinese stuff, but for the most part it's a lot of the same, M14s, M4s, M1911s, T-97s, SKSs, clones of CZ bolt-action rifles, some Chinese military pistols, and occasionally their copies of the M1897 and M1887.
Maybe in the US, but I doubt they'd be inexpensive here. It seems that anything Winchester is pricey as fuck. I was at a recent gun show and a guy was selling old Winchester pump and lever-action .22cal rifles for $1200-$1500US each.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 4, 2016 16:08:01 GMT
It depends on which Winchester model. 1906 and the Model 62 in the standard short/long/LR chamber will run 300 to 500 depending on condition. Maybe less if it has mismatched halves (common in old carnival rifles), maybe more for one in excellent condition. Model 61, the one with the side eject port, run for much higher. Up to 1k for s/l/lr and near 2k for a rarer .22 WMR.
Model 9422s can get crazy. It doesn't help that they used that model for limited engraving runs constantly. Highly sought after runs can go for over 5k and a standard plane Jane will still go for up to 1500. You'd be better off getting a brand new Henry than trying to find an affordable Winchester.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 4, 2016 16:41:09 GMT
Here's something interesting. You remember how Mossberg made the tactical 30-30 lever action? Turns out they now offer the model 464 SPX in .22 lr.
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Post by Horsie on May 4, 2016 18:11:13 GMT
Okay, I think it was an M94/22 he wanted $1500US for, but he was asking about $1000US each for both a Model 62 and a Model 150. At the time I wasn't specifically looking for a Winchester (when it comes to American rifles I'm not really loyal to a brand), but I had some extra money burning a hole in my pocket and felt like picking up a cheap .22cal lever-action or pump-action, that guy's prices made me decide to spend it on something else instead.
I handled one of those Mossberg tactical 30-30s, and about the only thing I liked was the fibre-optic inserts in the sights. I have a real hate for those adjustable stocks, I think they're ugly, and I've found a lot of ones of that specific design kind of uncomfortable. In general I'm just hostile to rifles and shotguns that are offered in a "tactical" configuration, I find it's kind of gimmicky, and more often than not those are the same rifles and shotguns that a couple of years ago they were selling as "zombie defence guns" with some green decals on them.
Does that .22 have a damned brake on it? If take any more recoil away from a .22LR the rifle is going to go forward when you fire it.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 5, 2016 3:14:58 GMT
I have nothing against tactical for the most part, but holy crap is that Mossberg ugly! The Winchester 9422s are pretty an' all, and I'm sure they're wonderful rifles, but I can't justify the expense. Not when other companies sell the same thing for a fraction of the price. Speaking of .22s, take downs, and levers. Look what you can get from Chiappa for under 400 bucks. The LA322. This is the standard. They have a deluxe version too which I presume cost more.
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Post by Horsie on May 5, 2016 3:38:39 GMT
Yeah, I'm not spending $1500US on a fucking .22LR unless it has a spigot in the stock that serves infinite beer. I had a look at one dealer here and they have them for about $400US. Oddly enough they have the standard version listed for about $20US more than the deluxe version. Personally, I'd probably go with the deluxe rifle regardless of cost, I'm not a fan of straight stocks. Regardless, that case hardening looks sharp, if I see one in a local store I may pick it up. Of course I'm always having to deal with an ever-increasing list of guns that I want. Recently I've gotten it into my head that I could do with a FAMAE SG542 battlerifle in .308; They're a license-built Chilean copy of a SiG rifle, my understanding is that they're a good rifle, although in some places the finish leaves something to be desired. Around here they go for about $2k US both new and used. Most of the rifles here have a rail on the receiver for mounting optics, although having handled SiG rifles I can say that the design of iron sights is really nice.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 6, 2016 21:06:27 GMT
I don't think we can get those here. Not sure why. I think Canada can get them but not the US. The closest thing are G3 clones made by a local company called PTR Industries. They're a high quality, faithful reproduction with all parts interchangeable with a G3. I could pick one up in the 1k range.
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Post by Horsie on May 6, 2016 22:33:17 GMT
Yeah, and you could go right to hell with it! I'd give my left nut for a G3 clone, especially if it was only going for 1K, around here they go for closer to 10k and they're only available to people who have a permit to own banned firearms (and to get one of those requires setting up a room to display them in (because only collectors can have the license), turning that room into a bunker, and allowing the police and firearms office to inspect your house whenever they like).
I think you can get the FAMAE rifles in the US, though I could be wrong. If you can't it might have to do with that regulation requiring a certain number of parts manufactured in the US.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 7, 2016 6:07:32 GMT
Prolly doesn't help that PTR gives locals a 10% discount too. So really I could get a base model for around 800ish.
Some guys from PTR went around the aria to all the gun shops in a "locals appreciation tour" or something a few years back when they first opened their new factory. They were even letting folks shoot them. So I got a chance to goof around with one at the range. They're incredibly easy to shoot, very accurate, a bit more recoil than a AR-15 but still very manageable. The one they were letting us shoot was set up heavy with a big scope so it was well over 10 pounds, maybe close to 12. They're really nice but I'm not keen on the weight of them.
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Post by Horsie on May 7, 2016 13:46:03 GMT
I like heavy rifles, that sounds pretty nice. If I could get one I'd want to swap out the furniture for wood though.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 7, 2016 20:07:39 GMT
They sell them with wood sometimes. I think they only do that when they have enough surplus parts for a run cuz they don't make the furniture as far as I can tell, at least not the green plastic and the wood, those are original G3 parts.
Since I don't have any gun ranges available to me that allow long range shooting I tend to shoot my rifles offhand, so I prefer a light rifle. If the damn county would get their ass in gear and build that public range they promised us years ago I'd prolly give the PTR91 a hard look.
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Post by Horsie on May 7, 2016 20:15:17 GMT
It's been a long while since I've shot offhand, I usually shoot at 100-200yds, although the club I go to just got their 400yd range approved for use. I'm not even sure what the intended purpose of these rounds is.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 7, 2016 20:27:27 GMT
Less than lethal. For self defense and crowd dispersion.
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Post by demonnachos on May 7, 2016 20:45:34 GMT
They have anything that is MORE than lethal?
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 7, 2016 20:57:10 GMT
Sure.
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