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Post by wordweaver3 on May 21, 2016 6:35:40 GMT
I don't want a modern muzzle loader, but an old flintlock. There are plenty of non-firing replicas but I want a firing one. The biggest company that makes working reproductions is Traditions. They make both flintlocks and caplocks. CVA used to be big in traditional muzzleloaders but they have since reduced their wares to modern inline and pellet style rifles. As far as getting an authentic 18th-19th century flintlock, you're gonna have to do a bit of homework. Both to find them and to make sure you are getting something real and not a reproduction being passed off as authentic. It's easy to get ripped off in that market. A good place to start looking is Gunbroker.com They're like ebay for guns. It'll give you an idea what your price range will be. Anyway, so .38 Supers don't fit in the DW, so that's not it. It occurred to me later that I could have checked size with a 9mm. Those don't fit either, but they go in slightly more than they should. Maybe a mm more than it should. The only thing I can think of is that it was bored a tad large when manufactured. Running cheap brass in it didn't help. The gun seemed to function better with nickle plated brass. I'm also gonna try Blazer in it which uses aluminum cases that tend to be pretty fat. I'll go in with a swath of different brands and see how the gun acts. It might just be finicky. The guys at the shop offered to let me trade it back in at cost for a S&W but I'm not ready to give up on this one yet. Plus the only S&Ws they had were all snubs, if I'm getting a .357 snub I'm getting a Ruger SP101. Also I happened to notice they had a Glenfield Model 10 with a squirrel stock for 99 bucks. I'll prolly buy it just cuz the stock matches my Model 60. Then I'll have a matching set.
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Post by demonnachos on May 21, 2016 7:37:36 GMT
It doesn't overly matter if it is a proper antique really, I'd almost prefer it not to be so I won't feel bad firing it.
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Post by Horsie on May 21, 2016 11:02:09 GMT
I don't like the traditional-looking Traditions muskets, the drop in the stock is a bit too much for my liking.
That's odd, the only revolvers I'm used to be picky are .22cals (cheap stuff is sometimes difficult to load and extract in my CZ, and a few others I've handled).
Yeah, may as well hang onto it if the only thing they've got are snubs.
I'd go for it, what kind of shape is it in for $99?
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Post by Horsie on May 22, 2016 3:08:44 GMT
Took the Henry and H&R to the range today. The Henry is just plain slick, the action is very smooth right out of the box, I'm glad I picked it up The H&R is pretty fucking slick too, though it needs a little bit of TLC. It looks like a previous owner dry fired the fuck out of it, so there's a small spot above each chamber that's peened over slightly, with one chamber it's so bad it takes some playing around to load a cartridge, and it makes extraction somewhat difficult even with my match grade ammo (that stuff doesn't expand too much). Other than that it's pretty good. It has adjustable sights and everything; Takedown is really easy, that little latch in front of the cylinder in the last photo is what holds the cylinder in place. In the last photo you can see the frame is stamped "EDDIE" above the trigger, I don't have a clue what that's supposed to mean, or if it was put there by a previous owner. This pistol also has the lightest, shortest trigger pull I've ever seen, once cocked you basically just have to touch it and it fires, a few times I accidentally fired a second, unaimed shot immediately after cocking it.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 22, 2016 5:52:23 GMT
I'd go for it, what kind of shape is it in for $99? It's in decent shape for an old Glenfield. Not perfect but it has a lot of life left. The action seems fine. They're notoriously sturdy rifles so I'm not worried about the function. I knew you'd like the Henry. They've been making solid firearms since they first opened. Being a family company they really take pride in their products. They haven't been passed from company to company so you don't have "those years" like you do with a lot of other small US gun manufacturers. I'm guessing "Eddie" was the guy that owned it. Might have been a gift at one point. I always like a gun with some history anyway. That trigger looks exceptionally light. Have you tested the hammer sear? Pull it back, keep your finger away from the trigger and try to push the hammer forward. If the sear breaks and the hammer drops either it's very worn or someone has modified it for a super light trigger. This can be dangerous as the gun may fire without actually touching the trigger. Along with timing and barrel condition it's one of the things I look for when considering a used revolver.
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Post by Horsie on May 22, 2016 15:21:30 GMT
Yeah, the you can't really go wrong for $99.
It's definitely nice, I just need to find a decent scope for it. When I bought it they threw in a cheap 4x15mm, but the FOV is terrible and the adjustment turrets don't even click, so it's a nightmare trying to adjust accurately and I know it'll lose zero before long.
I'll have a look at that later, although the 199 is apparently supposed to have a very light trigger for target shooting (I just didn't think it was supposed to be this light).
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Post by Horsie on May 22, 2016 15:39:55 GMT
My buddy just told me there's a company in the US that showed off a StG44 clone at a recent NRA event that they plan to offer in 5.56mm, 7.62x39, .330Blackout, and 7.92x33mm. They're going to be semi-only, they've simplified the design of some of the components, they're going to accept AR15 mags, and it sounds like it'll be easy to change between different calibres.
Holy fuck, I hope this pans out, and I hope they allow them into my country and don't assume that they're an AK clone.
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Post by Canuovea on May 22, 2016 19:42:27 GMT
Thinking they're an AK clone would be pretty funny. I mean, its based off the original design of the weapon that was used as the basis for the design of the AK.
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Post by Horsie on May 22, 2016 20:46:03 GMT
Don't laugh, they allowed importation of the Mossberg Blaze, a simple blowback rifle; But banned the Mossberg Blaze 47 (a Blaze dressed up like an AK); They also said that the rifle is designed to use H&K trigger packs, to eliminate the complicated mechanism used in the original StG trigger group. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided it was a variant of the G3, which is also banned here. Also, Wordweaver, you were right, the sear engagement is really poor on my H&R, I'll have to see what I can do with it. I've also been thinking about the furniture for the AR I'm building. I can't get wood furniture here, no one makes it in my country and no one imports it. I really like the laminate stocks made by Boyds, but they won't ship AR15 stocks out of the US (for some fucking reason), I can probably get one of my old man's American colleagues to buy a stock set and mail it to me, or pay a dealer here to import it (it'll cost a lot more that way), but I'm sure it can be done. Only question now is this; nutmeg (bottom), or pepper (middle)? I'm edging towards pepper myself, although that's awfully close to black, and we all know that black furniture makes an AR15 far more dangerous.
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Post by Canuovea on May 22, 2016 23:14:47 GMT
Oooh.
Tough choice. I'd say pepper.
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Post by Horsie on May 22, 2016 23:21:02 GMT
I think so, it looks sharp.
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Post by Canuovea on May 23, 2016 6:14:38 GMT
Asked my girlfriend:
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Post by demonnachos on May 23, 2016 6:44:33 GMT
I have always LOVED the SGT44 and wanted one.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 23, 2016 6:52:01 GMT
I like all three of them, but I'd prolly go with the "unicorn" one. I don't really care for Boyds AR forends but I love the shape of their buttstock. Their grip is really nice too.
The most likely culprit with that gun is that Eddie used to shoot it cowboy style by fanning the hammer. That's rough on the sear. There's a reason why they tell you not to do that.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 23, 2016 9:19:57 GMT
An StG44 with AR treatment would be nice. Kinda like the idea of something that competes with ARs in the versatility department.
Speaking of ARs I finally got around to putting together my Anderson lower. Almost lost an indent for a takedown pin when I shot it across the room. By a miracle I found the little fucker. Managed to do the whole thing without scratching it once, so I'm proud of that. Don't care for the grip that came with the parts kit so I'll prolly be looking for something new.
Now I need a buffer tube.
And an upper.
And furniture.
And some mags.
And bullets.
Almost there.
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