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Post by Horsie on May 29, 2016 1:50:40 GMT
I don't know, I think I'll stick with shotguns, I like shotguns. I really want to get an Ishapore .410 conversion to fuck with the club safety officers, it's a single-shot .410 shotgun made from a Lee-Enfield No.1Mk.III; I also think I'm going to get my Kar98K drilled and tapped for scope rings. If it was an original, parts matching rifle (or at least most parts matching), I wouldn't, but not a thing on it has the same serial number. There's enough space between the date stamp and the factory code on the top of the receiver so that I won't be losing any of the markings, and there's nothing marked on the receiver bridge. I've been toying with getting a setup that's similar to the ones used by snipers in WW2, there are modern reproductions, but it seems that few of the scope mounts used by the Wehrmacht could be mounted on normal Kar98K rifles, I guess the rifles that were used had modified receivers. Of the ones that could be, it looks like I'd either need a fair amount of work done to it, or I'd have to use a mount that fixes to the rear sight base (and I hate scout scopes).
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 29, 2016 7:59:16 GMT
You scope up that old Mauser and it'll be a beast. Set it up Enemy at the Gates style. That would be totally bad ass. I don't mind scout scope set ups, but it does limit your scope selection significantly. Y'know, I was just thinking... I have a Mosin that I've never shot. It's a rockin' hex receiver Mosin that's just sittin' in the case and gathering dust. If you got one of those Lee shotguns would you take it to the sporting clay range and drive the safety officers crazy?
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Post by Horsie on May 29, 2016 16:12:07 GMT
I might go with a turret mount actually, it's what was used on many Kar98K snipers; I started looking at the receiver and realized that simple scope rings probably wouldn't work very well, as there's a difference in height between the receiver ring and the bridge. I've seen reproduction mounts like those ones, but instead of having a solid ring (requiring the scope to be disassembled) they have split rings for use with modern scopes. The turret setup also has a tunnel running through the mounts so the iron sights can still be used, and I believe they're basically a quick detach system (German snipers were supposed to remove the optics from their rifles and store them in a case when not in use, to prevent damage). This would be something of a permanent mount, as they're supposed to be mounted with screws and solder. The good news is that it'll be pretty authentic (barring the modern scope I put on it), and even though it'll cover the markings on the receiver, there seem to be a lot of Russian captured "byf" (Mauser Werke, Oberndorf am Neckar) marked 1943 Mausers around here. Just need to find a gunsmith who can install a setup like this. Figure you'd put optics on it? I absolutely would. I'm tempted to do the same with my Greener GP, at a glance it looks like a Martini, albeit without a rear sight, but it's really tricky shooting clays with a full choke.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 30, 2016 6:35:20 GMT
I don't know if I'll modify this Mosin any. It's a really nice example of a pre WWII hex. Aside from the missing bayonet it's numbers matching. If I can find one that isn't as collectable, maybe a little beat up but still functioning I'd like to set one up similar to what Nutnfancy did with this one. Give it a durable coat of green and wrap it however you wanna camo it field style. Prolly go with a little better scope though.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 30, 2016 10:47:53 GMT
Well this is odd.
I came across a combat grip for the Dan Wesson on eBay earlier on the week. It had no bids and an opening bid of 30 bucks so I figured I may as well bid that and assumed someone would out-bid me in no time.
It's down to the last few hours and I still have the top bid.
I never set up a paypal.
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Post by Horsie on May 30, 2016 15:19:59 GMT
Fair enough, I just have a hard time looking at Mosins in general as being collectable, even the hex receiver Mosins I've handled have been pretty crude, with widely varying accuracy. I'd like to get an M44 carbine though, they're pretty neat.
Did you get it set up?
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 31, 2016 6:02:01 GMT
They only made 15 million of em. I'm sure in 200 years it will be worth a fortune. Okay, yeah. I'm prolly giving it too much respect. I'll take it down to the range and shoot it. If it has halfway decent accuracy I'll set her up any way I wish. On a related note I did happen to find two outdoor ranges within a reasonable distance. One of em has up to 300 yard shooting, but it's a private hunting club. However, they do open up the range to the public on the weekends for 15 bucks an hour. The other one is maybe 20-30 minutes further away and only has 100 yard shooting, but it's a public range and open every day. Plus I think it's free. Uh, no. It was Memorial Day so the banks were closed. And, yes, I did have the winning bid. I think I got like 30 hours ta get it sorted out. I donno, it's the first thing I ever bid on eBay. I'll take care of it in the morning. Kinda shocked I got it, I've seen similar grips going for over 100 bucks. Maybe the combat grips aren't as desirable cuz they don't have the DW medallions on them. Still, it's a bad ass shaped grip in my opinion.
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Post by Horsie on May 31, 2016 8:25:31 GMT
How did they mount the scopes on Mosin snipers? Were they built specifically for it (like some of the Kar98K snipers that used a side rail (they had a slightly different receiver)), or were the scope mounts something they could slap on any rifle?
I wouldn't be surprised if that higher cost was for a little medallion.
I think I might refinish my Kar98K stock so it looks less like a Russian capture rifle. I want to strip the shitty varnish off of it, it's the same kind of stuff flaky crap the Russians put on basically everything (although mine isn't flaking off too badly), the Mauser stocks were originally finished by applying linseed oil, so I'll see about doing that.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 31, 2016 9:38:11 GMT
From what I can tell Mosins never started out as sniper rifles. When they wanted sniper rifles they would shoot standard M91/30s until they found the ones that grouped within a specific diameter at 100 meters. Something in the neighborhood of 4 inches. Which really isn't impressive even by the standards of the time, but I guess it was good enough for the Russians. When they found a rifle they wanted to convert they would change out the short straight bolt handle for a long curved one... ...and cut out a space on the side of the stock to give them room to bolt the mount on the side. The most common scope was a fixed 3.5x PU scope. It wasn't very sophisticated but it was simple, easy to produce, and durable compared to other scopes of the period. My rifle is an early 91/30 so converting it to a sniper rifle with a kit would be period correct, but the sniper kits are pretty expensive for a good one (a lot more than the gun cost) and they require a bit of gunsmithing. A scope mount that replaces the rear sight would be simpler and would retain the ability to use stripper clips. I'd be worried about trying to refinish the stock on that Mauser. The Russians loved their cosmoline and if it's soaked into the grain of the wood the linseed oil might not take.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 31, 2016 14:47:46 GMT
Welp, got the grip paid for. The guy already shipped it out. Nice.
And I just put a bid on an old Leupold M8 fixed 2x pistol scope with mounts and rings that prolly won't be of any use for 99 bucks. It's old, but it's a Leupold. They warranty their stuff forever and ever, no questions asked.
Ebay is gonna get me in trouble, isn't it?
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Post by Horsie on May 31, 2016 15:16:46 GMT
It looks like that's a quick detach mount as well, I didn't think they used something like that on the Mosins.
Worst case scenario I have to refinish the stock with stain, which wouldn't bother me too much.
Probably, God knows there all kinds of crap on there worth buying.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 31, 2016 16:08:31 GMT
Part of the field kit that came with the sniper versions was a pouch to put the scope into. So the quick detach was fairly standard.
Another interesting thing I found that's available for Mosins is a 10 round mag.
Though the price point on it is outrageous for a plastic box and a spring. Something like 80 bucks. I can buy 5 or 6 good AR mags for that price.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 1, 2016 1:32:53 GMT
Watching a DW 8 inch barrel assembly on eBay right now. It's down to 30 minutes and only has one bid for 169.00. When there's 5 minutes left I'll put in a counter bid. If I can get it for under 200 I'll be thrilled, if not I'll just bid his ass up to 200.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 1, 2016 2:06:46 GMT
Ah, didn't get it. The guy was guarding it. That's fine.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 1, 2016 5:12:54 GMT
Found a really nice rear sight mount for the Mosin.
Skip to 1:20 to get to where he talks about the mount.
It's about 45 bucks on eBay with free shipping. It looks incredibly solid, unlike a lot of the ones that just replace the rear sight leaf and can wobble around. They make two variants of this mount. This one with the see through that allows you to still use the irons, and a low profile one that is scope only.
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