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Post by Canuovea on Jun 4, 2016 8:26:55 GMT
Chain over a gambeson would stop a lot of brunt force trauma. But yeah, it would still hurt. I imagine even plate would hurt though depending on what you were hit with.
Could chain stop a small caliber bullet? Depends on the quality of the metal, perhaps? There are accounts of chain with gambeson turning lances.
The purpose would be more the exercise in carrying it about though. I'm not really concerned with either being stabbed or shot.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 4, 2016 11:23:00 GMT
Could chain stop low power bullet? Probably. People have survived gunshots from .22LR and .25ACP pistols simply because they were wearing a heavy winter jacket. Could it do so reliably? Absolutely not. Chainmail is a single layer, if it fails it fails completely. The gambeson underneath might catch the bullet, but most likely it'll just get carried into the wound channel.
When you think about it, modern soft body armor is basically a gambeson. Layers of a individually weaker material combined to make a formidable whole. The concept is the same but the material is changed. Early soft bullet resistant armor was made of silk. It worked on low velocity rounds (4 to 500 feet per second) but was prohibitively expensive. Archduke Franz Ferdinand was wearing silk armor when he was assassinated, but he was shot through the neck so it didn't help. He was shot with a .380 ACP, which probably would have defeated the armor anyway.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 4, 2016 14:30:39 GMT
I've thought about doing that as well, but there doesn't seem to be anywhere around here that offers gunsmithing courses. I know damned well I'd enjoy being a gunsmith more than a welder, my work is killing me and my employers are cunts, and I know I'd have work as all of the gunsmiths around here are pretty old, but the problem is that I can't afford to take time off of work to train for another trade.
I'm not really a knife person, I don't really know what makes a good knife, as long as they're sharp I'm happy.
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 4, 2016 18:14:29 GMT
IIRC the Japanese attempted to create bullet resistant chain mail, with varying levels of success.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 4, 2016 18:26:51 GMT
It's nice out today, I think I'm going to crack open a beer or six and polish the trigger on my Kar98K. I'm also thinking of picking up a Zastava M48, they're basically a modified Kar98 (they have a shorter action, so parts aren't interchangeable), and I guess a lot of the ones that are around saw almost no use. They're supposed to be nice rifles, I've handled some and the actions on all of them were smooth, not sure how the stack up against German Mausers, but for the price (about $425US) I don't think I could go wrong, they're the closest thing I can get to an unissued military Mauser.
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 4, 2016 18:29:36 GMT
A nice day over here as well.
No weapons though.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 4, 2016 18:40:00 GMT
You should solve that problem by getting yourself an M48.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 4, 2016 22:08:54 GMT
Let me translate that out of Renardisch; "I saw a Zastava M48 at the hardware store and considered buying it. It was a mistake to leave it there, I'll be back in an hour".
So now I own a Yugo Mauser. It's hard to tell with so much fucking Cosmoline on it, but it probably had less than 100rnds through it when it was put away, but there appears to be very few marks on the bolt face and the bore looks like new. The wood and steel fittings are a little scuffed up here and there, which probably happened while it was in storage or sitting in the store (it's been there for about 2 years, and the store moved in that period too).
It's going to be a bear getting the Cosmoline out though, there's so much in it that it feels like I'm trying to push the bolt through molasses, and the striker slides forward rather than snaps forward when I pull the trigger. Should be a nice shooter though.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 4, 2016 22:19:57 GMT
Stripping cosmoline is like slowly opening a Christmas present.
I never really understood why the Yugo Mauser even exists. At least not in the numbers it does. They built them and then promptly put them in storage. A lot of them have never even been shot and 99.9 of them have never seen any action. Despite never using them the Yugos were meticulous about the storage. Every couple years they pulled them out, cleaned em off, inspected em, and re greased them to put back into storage.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 4, 2016 22:31:41 GMT
I gotta find a better way though, at least a better way to get it off the wood. I think I'll end up doing something with the stock if I get a chance this summer, I suspect the handguard is off of a different rifle, it's wider than the stock so I want to sand it down to match, and if I'm going to do that I may as well take the finish off the rest of it and redo it all so it doesn't look weird. I've got a jug of raw linseed oil in my workshop, so I'll do that. I'll probably have to steam the Cosmoline out of the wood though, or wrap it in rags and and a bin liner and leave it in the sun for a few days.
It was already clear that bolt-actions were very quickly becoming obsolete even before the M48 was put into production. I won't complain about it though, no matter how little sense it made, it got me the closest thing I'll ever get to an unissued Mauser.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 5, 2016 6:35:08 GMT
It would have made sense if they built like 10,000 or 20,000 of em for future use as sniper rifles, but they built over a million of em! They did the same thing with the SKS which was also on it's way out the door in terms of battlefield effectiveness. Not that I'm complaining either, but who was making these decisions?
Yeah, there's only one real gunsmith in our area that I can find, and he's getting near 90. There are a lot of places that have "gunsmiths", but they mostly just install scopes on ARs. Once you say you want to drill and tap something and maybe re do a crown and they'll throw up their hands and say "Whoa! I don't do that stuff".
So maybe the area needs a good gunsmith.
My eBay purchases are stacking up now. I won the buffalo horn grip for my Bersa Firestorm. 30 dollar bid took this one too. Which is great cuz I was looking at buying grips that cost over twice that. The charging handle for my Hi-Point came in the mail today, which was shockingly fast. It's miles better than the junky one it came with and looks much better. They also put a couple Jolly Ranchers in the bag with it which I thought was amusing.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 5, 2016 7:20:10 GMT
It could be that they planned to sell them or give them away to support revolutions or friendly regimes around the world, like the Russians did with the SKS and many of the Mausers they captured, though I'm not sure if the Yugoslavians were as involved in that as the Russians (then again, I think Yugoslavia tended not to stir up shit like the Russians did).
You'll have to post a photo when the grips come in.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 5, 2016 7:36:06 GMT
I'm interested in what they look like myself. He had pictures of them but they weren't very good quality. You can kinda make out some of the grain of the horn in the photo, but until I have it in my hands I'm not gonna be sure what it is. For 30 bucks I could risk it. I expect the glossy black horn should look sharp with my two tone Bersa.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 5, 2016 8:12:27 GMT
I'm looking at soft Type II level body armor on eBay right now. It's buy it now at 100 bucks and it's my size. Unlike a lot of the armor in that price range it was manufactured last year (as opposed to 4-6 years ago) so it has most of its service life left.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 5, 2016 11:46:33 GMT
Whew! Close one. Didn't buy it.
Anyhoo... In order to keep myself from doing anything stupid with that Mosin build I've given myself a 100 dollar limit (not including optics, cheap optics are a huge waste of time and money). So far I have 20 on a grip, buttplate, stripper clip set, 4 on a trigger kit, 9 on a new bolt firing pin spring (I'm fairly sure the opening hang up is due to an overly heavy spring), and 10 on a clamp on muzzle brake (it'll prolly shoot off, but I figured it was worth risking 10 bucks). Total spent so far (not including rifle) 43 bucks.
That leaves only 57 for anything else I want to do. That precludes a Timney trigger or any type of aftermarket stock. Might be able to squeeze a bent bolt handle and a scope mount out of that, but most likely just a mount.
Before I spend any more money on it I'll wait for the parts I got ordered to come in and start working on it.
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