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Post by Horsie on Jun 21, 2016 8:03:13 GMT
It's ridiculous when you start getting into stuff like this; I wouldn't trust it, the idea of having the working parts of a rifle, especially a rifle like an AR15 (which is supposed to be run well-oiled and has tight mechanical tolerances).
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 21, 2016 16:01:15 GMT
You could totally pass the mud test with those.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 21, 2016 16:08:20 GMT
Of course, with flying colours.
I guess it's something for people who are doing 3 gun competitions and looking to shave off as much weight as possible, or for people who want a rifle that screams "look at me".
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 21, 2016 16:31:40 GMT
3 gun doesn't really put emphasis on lighter weight. It's all about efficiency. Hitting targets as quickly as possible. Taking weight off will start to gain a negative effect eventually, even with a good compensator.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 22, 2016 8:09:35 GMT
Then why are people so obsessed with making their rifles as light as they can?
Sort of debating picking up a complete AR and just dropping my parts into it as I get them, sometimes find new ones on sale at some of the online retailers, but I'll probably pick up a used one if I can.
The biggest problem is going to be finding one that doesn't have M4 feed ramps machined into the lower receiver, they won't work with a rifle-type barrel extension, and unfortunately it seems that most people selling used rifles and most stores that carry ARs only have carbines.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 22, 2016 16:31:56 GMT
Some folks want the "est". They want the fastest, the biggest, the lightest, the coolest... whatever "est" they think is most desirable.
The entire AR community has decided that all the effort needs to be put into the carbine. It's very difficult to find a rifle that isn't set up as a varminter. Though I did find that Anderson sells a complete upper that mimics the A2 rifle.
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Post by demonnachos on Jun 22, 2016 18:39:31 GMT
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 22, 2016 19:11:42 GMT
Well someone needs to do something.
Not necessarily what they want, but fucking something.
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Post by demonnachos on Jun 22, 2016 19:28:19 GMT
They'll play on facebook and solitaire when they are "trying" to pass a budget, but when it comes time to try and pass a bill that can take away Constitutional rights without due-process they are suddenly motivated? www.snopes.com/photos/politics/solitaire.asp
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 22, 2016 19:51:33 GMT
You don't have the right to ownership of firearms unregulated.
Of course, that isn't precisely what the Democrats seem to want, rather, they want to ban people on the no-fly list from being able to buy guns, which is a bit odd.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 22, 2016 19:58:04 GMT
Well someone needs to do something. Not necessarily what they want, but fucking something. There's a battle cry for bad legislation if I ever heard one. Not to bash you, but that's how horrible things get passed. There's nothing that these people are proposing that would have stopped Orlando outside of an outright ban of firearms, and even that isn't certain (the worst terrorist attack on US soil was accomplished with box cutters and the worst non terror mass killing was with fire). The "No fly, no buy" proposal wouldn't have stopped him because he wasn't on the "no fly" list anyway. He wasn't on a terror watch list of any sort. He was at one point but had since been removed. Plus you can get on these lists for a host of reasons that aren't terror related.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 22, 2016 20:01:01 GMT
You don't have the right to ownership of firearms unregulated. By strict interpretation, yes we do, at least on a federal level. That never stopped them before though.
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 22, 2016 20:04:22 GMT
No fly no buy is rather dumb.
But requiring proper training, a course, and a license, much like a driver's license, to buy guns and ammo would probably be a step in the right direction. I know that the US has varying gun laws, but that is something every nation that lets you own guns should have as a bare minimum. I'd also add mental health evaluation to that probably.
I've got a very good idea of what I would do.
But when I say "someone needs to do something" I mean that the Republicans don't give a damn that the current system is clearly broken, and the Democrats have no idea what would actually be effective and logical gun legislation without ruining the 2nd amendment. But at least the Democrats acknowledge that there is a problem.
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 22, 2016 20:05:02 GMT
You don't have the right to ownership of firearms unregulated. By strict interpretation, yes we do, at least on a federal level. That never stopped them before though. Its straight in the Constitution, a "well regulated militia". Not "own all the guns you like! Wooo!"
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 22, 2016 20:07:53 GMT
You overlooked "shall not be infringed".
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