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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 26, 2016 19:58:28 GMT
The general consensus is: very poorly.
Here's a guy shooting it.
Since it twists around freely and all the moving parts are behind your hand there's really no way to shoot it well. If it side ejected you might be able to try and shoot it like a bullpup but since it's top eject you'll just get hit in the face with brass.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 26, 2016 23:31:04 GMT
That just looks awkward as fuck, you'd be better off using a 9mm pistol.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 27, 2016 1:26:26 GMT
Might consider calling up this guy. As nice as those Boyds stocks are, a walnut stock and grip would look amazing. Gonna make the mall ninjas sick.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 27, 2016 7:59:08 GMT
That just looks awkward as fuck, you'd be better off using a 9mm pistol. Considering it's a copy of an emergency rifle for fighter pilots with the idea being it was as powerful as a rifle but still small enough to wield in a cockpit (yeah, I don't fucking know the answer to the obvious question of why you would need to do that) you would think it would be more functional. Really you could put a folding stock on an SMG and be far better off. Or just a pistol with a lot of spare mags if capacity is the issue. I mean, the gun makes no sense at all, but if I had a chance to buy one (and it was cheap) I'd get it just for the collectors value. I like the Boyds buttstock better, but that triangular handguard is tits.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 27, 2016 15:08:17 GMT
Yeah, it's powerful and kind of compact, but it just doesn't seem usable.
I prefer the shape of this stock, it's basically an A2 made of wood, whereas the Boyds stock has a different shape entirely and looks like it might be difficult to use with some of the slip-on risers I've been looking at.
I wouldn't need the handguard though, I'm going to put a free float handguard with a rail on it, so I can still mount irons. Of course I could always use the triangular handguard with a second upper.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 28, 2016 16:45:16 GMT
Speaking of mall ninjas, I asked on a forum if anyone was sure about the export laws in the US and the import laws here regarding rifles stocks, specifically AR15 stocks (since they seem to be treated differently for some reason). It seems that no one is entirely sure, so I'll have to check with customs about that.
However, I did have a number of people giving their 2cents about what I want. Some guys said they loved the A2 stock, others said they didn't find them particularly comfortable, and suggested I look at adjustable stocks for a DMR, or even higher-end collapsible stocks so I can adjust the length of pull (for winter and summer shooting, and for shooting from prone, a bench, or standing). Good advice, reasonable advice.
Then a couple of guys chimed in saying that collapsible is the way to go, it's lets me adjust the stock for when I'm just wearing a shirt or when I'm wearing a plate carrier, it also makes the rifle more compact for when I'm room clearing or getting in and out of a vehicle. Because I plan to don a fucking plate carrier, step out of my Jeep with a loaded rifle, and clear rooms, like some kind of short, fat, 6th rate Navy SEAL.
It reminds me of this time I commented on a post someone made on Facebook, a buddy posted a photo of a .22LR revolver with a short barrel (just long enough to be legal here). I said I wouldn't go less than 6" on a revolver barrel since we can't carry them, especially on a .22LR. Someone he knew said something about a short barrel making the pistol more powerful, and that a short barrel was better for room clearing, it's more manoeuvrable and less likely to bang into stuff.
Firstly, around here you'd probably get arrested if you used a pistol to try dealing with home invaders or terrorists or whatever the fuck this guy thinks he'll be fighting, secondly, if you're armed with a .22LR revolver you're probably already at a significant disadvantage, and thirdly, if having an extra 2" of barrel (especially on a pistol) is enough to make the weapon so unwieldy as to be unusable, then the issue is with the shooter and not the firearm.
Some people play way too much CoD.
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Post by demonnachos on Jun 28, 2016 19:33:05 GMT
You don't go room clearing every weekend? I thought it was a mandatory world law that those with guns had to clear rooms and always be at peak tacticalness.
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Post by demonnachos on Jun 28, 2016 23:33:26 GMT
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Post by Horsie on Jun 29, 2016 2:32:27 GMT
I guess I'm just not operator enough.
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Post by demonnachos on Jun 29, 2016 2:50:19 GMT
Well everyone has suffered from low testacticalosterone at some point in their life, except Albert in Marketing funnily enough. There are multiple treatment methods for people suffering from Low-T, so ask your local Operator for options. In non-gun news a new video by ThegnThrand made me ponder some stuff. He tests what is basically an armored headband against light hits to see how it holds up (quick cuts to the forehead being hard to defend and cause blood in the eyes among other very debilitating issues), and it did very well. Great thing about it is that it doesn't look like armor, meaning unlike a mail coif the opponent isn't going to be as keen on trying to hit elsewhere (If your foe has a mail coif you know that instead of hitting his mail you should just stab him in his exposed face). That means they may be more likely to hit you there since they aren't considering it an armored spot (And a hit there is not a hit elsewhere). It fits in with Iaido, a martial art based on instantly fighting from your sword in your scabbard. With the headband and iaido you are much more prepared for the sudden ambush than you would appear. It is fascinating how all the little things mesh and how clever people were back then. It also prompted thoughts of how a simple arming cap compares, both in terms of protection and in terms of looking non-threatening. In the Napoleonic era the Russian's thick hats (And coats) proved to be quite sabre-resistant while not being made specifically to stop sabres so it stands to reason a simple thick hat would do the job well enough. A thick hat would make your head hotter though, and cover your kick ass hair-do (meanwhile the headband compliments it so well, to rob a Dark Souls phrase "Fashion Souls is life" ). Which then prompted some other thoughts. How would the peasant's armor of the East and West compare, and how would the middle-class warrior's kits stack up? A poor ashigaru git stuck with the tatami armor and plated headband as his only defence vs the poor peasant Dennis being forced to fight for the king he didn't vote for donning his thickest coat and padded cap. It is quite interesting honestly.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jul 1, 2016 3:49:24 GMT
I don't think legal ramifications are a suitable excuse to not protect yourself, especially in your own home. Really you should do what has to be done to protect you and yours and worry about the consequences later. If you do the worst you'll get is manslaughter and a weapons charge. If you don't the worst you get is dying while knowing the rest of your family is next. I'll take jail over a pine box.
I don't know what that guy is talking about with shorter barrels being better. I could room clear with my 8 inch .357 mag. Shorter barrels equal less power, especially with a .22. Compactness with a pistol is mostly a concern for concealment, beyond that it has no real advantages. My most efficient room clearer is probably the Hi-Point carbine. It's short and nimble for a rifle, has low muzzle flash, and is not overly powerful so that excessive penetration becomes a concern. Still, my go-to in the house is typically my Taurus 82 since it's ready to go quicker than anything else and I trust it more than anything else I have.
The .22lr's major failing isn't really in the power department but in the reliability department. As such I'd only consider it for defense in a revolver since I can bypass a misfire by just pulling the trigger again. I wouldn't really consider myself out gunned with a .22 in a close quarters situation unless my opposition had body armor, still, I'd much prefer something in center fire.
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Post by Horsie on Jul 1, 2016 4:01:54 GMT
I got the feeling that this was a guy whose experience with firearms began and ended with video games. It was kind of funny though, when I said that the extra 2" on a pistol wouldn't make a bit of difference he started asking me how much experience I had with close quarters combat.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jul 1, 2016 5:18:03 GMT
Oddly I almost had a confrontation the other day.
I driving down a street at night coming back from a delivery when these two guys ran out in front of my car to make me stop. They were yelling something but I wasn't quite sure what it was cuz they were really drunk. They had their arms out in a "come at me bro" way. My options were to stop and back up (but there was no other way out of the neighborhood) or run the guys down. Due to recent concerns I had started to carry the Bersa in my glove compartment. I reached over and grabbed it and held it across my chest so it was visible and ready but wasn't pointing directly at them. One of them came up to the window, if he had reached in I would have given him express facial reconstruction. Luckily he sees what I got and backs off. He's like "Hey, man. I thought you were a cop."
Uh, really? Cuz they don't carry guns? How many beers you gotta drink to get that stupid?
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Post by Canuovea on Jul 1, 2016 6:21:11 GMT
Strange.
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Post by Horsie on Jul 1, 2016 14:14:31 GMT
Well then. I don't think I could drink enough to think it was a good idea to force a cop to stop their car so I could try to fight them.
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