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Post by Horsie on Nov 26, 2018 4:43:26 GMT
Yeah, the stuff normally comes in boxes of no less than 50rnds, and it's everywhere.
And if you're lucky, or really good with your shot placement, you could take a deer with a .22LR, if you really had to.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Nov 26, 2018 5:13:39 GMT
Yeah, it could kill a deer if you needed it to, but the advantage is also that it will kill everything smaller than a deer. If you're shooting to eat and you have something heavy duty it will obliterate small game. A .303 would turn a rabbit into confetti. What's more the cost vs gain would be poor. Wasting a .303 (or two or three if you miss) on a rabbit would be a poor trade off, especially since your ammo is limited by weight.
I've heard a lot of folks say a shotgun is a good SHTF choice since it's so versatile, you could use shot for small game and slugs for big, but you can fit about 500 rounds of .22lr in the same box that 25 rounds of 12 gauge comes in. That's 20x more ammo. I don't think that trade is worthwhile.
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Post by Horsie on Nov 26, 2018 6:41:03 GMT
My grandfather went hunting with his friends a few times, he brought his own rifle only once.
He shot a partridge.
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 26, 2018 19:12:49 GMT
And partridge feathers in a pear tree!
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Post by wordweaver3 on Nov 26, 2018 21:30:33 GMT
Well, that's just too much gun for a pat. Though if he shot it on the wing, kudos to him.
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Post by Horsie on Nov 30, 2018 20:59:37 GMT
No, I think it just had the bad fortune of walking out in front of him, he was so pissed off that he blew it to pieces that he gave up on hunting and sold the rifle to one of his buddies.
Which sucks, because while I couldn't inherit it as a functioning rifle (FALs are prohibited in Canada, prohib pistols can be inherited, rifles can't be), it would've made for a nice wall hanger. I turned my grandmother's place upside down when we were cleaning it up after she died, on the slim chance that he'd just stuffed it into the attic or a dark corner of the crawlspace under the kitchen.
Picked up that Hi-Power today, I'll have to get some photos when I take it to the range tomorrow. Glad I got it when I did, the other one or two they had in stock sold this past week, and it's unlikely they'll get any more, never mind for the price I paid.
Now that I've had a chance to go over it in detail I think it's from 1979, at least that's what the date code on the barrel says, and I have no reason to think it was replaced. FN guns are kind of tricky to date, anything made before WW2 is basically guesswork since all the documents were lost in the war, and anything after the war is also a bit dodgy since they'd use whatever serial number range the customer wanted if the order was for 1000 or more guns.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Nov 30, 2018 21:36:24 GMT
Do you know who's arsenal it came from?
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Post by Horsie on Nov 30, 2018 22:36:59 GMT
Not positive, the store I got it from said their supplier told them this batch of Hi-Powers were issued by the Israeli police, but that may not be correct. I think this place got 4 pistols in, I looked at 3 of them, and they were all a little different.
The one I've got is a pretty standard pistol, fixed sights, standard controls, rounded hammer, with FN markings. The other one I looked at last weekend had a tall front post dovetailed into the slide and an adjustable rear sight, M1911-style spur hammer (I think that's an American thing), the safety was extended, and while it was made by FN it was made for Browning in Utah. The other one I looked at a while ago was just like mine, except it had a tangent rear sight, I think the fourth pistol also had a tangent sight, but I'll have to ask the next time I'm in.
All of them were clearly carried regularly, but if they were police guns I'd have expected them to be more or less identical. The Browning really stands out as it looked like it was done up for competition (it was also missing all of the bluing on the left side of the frame and slide, although the right side looked mint, it was some odd wear).
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Post by Horsie on Dec 2, 2018 0:40:25 GMT
I took it out and test fired it today, I think I might have a weak recoil spring. It feeds, fires, extracts, and ejects just fine, and recoil doesn't seem that much different from similar 9mm pistols, but there's a lot more shit coming out of the ejection port than there should be.
I inspected some of the cases and didn't see anything obvious, no bulging or deformation, so while I think the breech might be opening faster than it should, it doesn't appear to opening so fast that the chamber pressure still very high. It could also be the ammunition for all I know, I've had similar problems with stuff loaded with slow burning powder.
If neither of those things solve the problem I guess I'll have a gunsmith check it, although I can't really think of anything else that might be the issue.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Dec 2, 2018 3:26:10 GMT
Were you using hand load or +p?
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Post by Horsie on Dec 2, 2018 5:55:34 GMT
Nope, regular American Eagle, 124gr I think.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Dec 2, 2018 9:12:22 GMT
Hmmm... that stuff is usually pretty good. Although 124 gr is heavier than what the Hi-Power was optimized for. They're typically happier with 115 (hardball ideally) and the bullet might be staying in the barrel a smidge longer than it should and maybe getting a little too much backpressure. That might account for unburned powder going out the ejection port instead of the end of the barrel.
Though the mainsprings on those do have a limited lifespan, but I don't think they're expensive to replace.
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Post by Horsie on Dec 2, 2018 9:57:03 GMT
I'll try it with some 115gr next weekend, by that point it was getting dark and I had to pack up, otherwise I'd have dug around in my ammo box to see if I'd brought something lighter.
Recoil springs are cheap, I just ordered one, and for good measure I ordered an extra power recoil spring set as well (a standard spring with a smaller spring that nests inside), all told it came to $20.
Not sure how soon they'll get here though, our postal workers went on strike early in November and everything's fucked. They were legislated back to work, but the backlog is so bad we've been told to expect serious delays possibly into February.
Speaking of +P, I stopped at a gun shop the other day and that's all they had for .38spl. Buddy working the counter told me to be careful as not all guns can handle it, I laughed and said I was running it through a .357, it'd be fine. He looked at me like I was an idiot and repeated that I need to be sure my gun can handle +P, not all of them are made for it.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Dec 2, 2018 16:56:59 GMT
Speaking of +P, I stopped at a gun shop the other day and that's all they had for .38spl. Buddy working the counter told me to be careful as not all guns can handle it, I laughed and said I was running it through a .357, it'd be fine. He looked at me like I was an idiot and repeated that I need to be sure my gun can handle +P, not all of them are made for it.
Wut? They don't rate .357 magnums for +p because it's already magnum. That's like worrying if a bridge made for freight trains can handle foot traffic.
"But they're really fat people."
"Yeah, I think it will be fine."
Sorry to hear about your postal service. I keep expecting something similar here to just fuck up everything.
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Post by Horsie on Dec 2, 2018 17:43:49 GMT
That was about my reaction, and this guy is selling guns and ammo.
Granted, this is the same place where an employee got shitty with me because I asked if they could get bulk 7.5x55mm in; the catalogue I was checking (they had it siting on the counter) had a typo, the boxes of Swiss surplus ammo I had in my truck were also mislabelled, the Swiss used 6.5x55mm Swedish, there's no such thing as 7.5x55mm.
This is the same place that had a Schmidt-Rubin 1889 around the same time, it was in decent shape, it had the magazine, and it was listed as 8x57mm. I asked if they knew if it was converted to the older .311" bore or the newer .323", I was told it wasn't converted, because that's all it ever came in, the Swiss used the same ammo as the Germans (after being told on a different visit that the Swiss used 6.5x55mm).
The strike has been brewing since the last strike 2 years ago, which was brewing since the strike 3 years prior to that. The problem we have is that the Canada Post (a crown corporation owned by the government but not directly run by it) negotiates by refusing most demands, but even if they approached the negotiations in good faith the union never seems to budge on any of it's demands, and this time around some of them were ridiculous. The union wanted more full-time employees, and guaranteed work (how that work in an industry that's reliant on mail volume in any given area is beyond me), they also suggested that the government stop the practice of sending documents and stuff to citizens via email, and suggested that Canada Post get involved in banking (imagine if everyone at your bank went on strike).
These are the same arseholes to get 15 infinitely bankable sick days every year in addition to 7 weeks paid holiday, medical, dental, and drug coverage, and a good (and completely unsustainable) pension plan, I think the average pay is around $20/hour, and we're talking about people with a highschool education.
But they're so hard done by!
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