Post by Harkovast on Jan 16, 2015 21:35:52 GMT
Take a look at the following panel-
The panel leading up to this has someone telling Captain America he should surrender....
Well, after that statement, I would say the "A" probably stands for "asshole".
No this image is not doctored, yes Captain America did really say that.
I am not taking it out of context, he means exactly what it sounds like he means.
It was, however, the Ultimate Captain America, not the main one (be thankful for small mercies, cap fans.)
Lets look at many of the issues this image raises.
1- Captain America is apparently a racist, xenophobic twat.
The capt, it seems, when under pressure reveals his contempt for other cutures. He's like one of those racists who is perfectly okay most of the time, but when they get mad at someone who aint white, their insults take a surprising and unpleasant turn.
This is particularly pathetic coming from a guy who is meant to stand up for American ideals. Apparently in Cap's mind this means putting down other cultures in order to big up his own. I always assumed Captain American represented a slightly more positive, enlightened vision of America...but the writers for the Ultimate universe are on hand to correct me.
2- Captain America is a fucking moron.
The French are cowardly? Seriously? Is that the level of humour we are going for?
It is such a weak stereotype as well. What is it based on?
WW2? Yeah that one was seventy years ago! And anyone who knows anything about history would know that the supposed cowardice of French soldiers did not lead to their defeat (this will be addressed further in point 3).
What other examples are there to back up this notion that idiots now seem to take as gospel?
The Iraq War? That wasn't them being cowards! That was them not being stupid! That war was so dumb that even the guy who came up with the idea that French Fries should be renamed "freedom fries" as come out and admitted it was disasterous mistake with hind site.
That's it, thats the entire basis of that sterotype.
Worse yet, its very very recent.
It became super popular after the ramp up to war began, but prior to that it really wasn't a stereotype.
People forget that the nation of cowards used to be Italy.
You know that joke about how many gears does a french tank have? I heard that 20 years ago about the Italians.
It's the same stupid, ill conceived stereotype just fitted to the disliked country of the moment.
3- THIS IS FUCKING CAPTAIN AMERICA, WHAT THE HELL?
If anyone should know their fucking history it is captain god damn america!
This guy fought in WW2, doing secret missions against the nazis....IN OCCUPIED FRANCE! He knew members of the French resistance PERSONALLY!
Unless the super serum made him a super moron as well, he would be well aware of Free French units fighting for the allies.
But apparently all their sacrifices and heroic efforts don't mean dick to Ultimate Captain America.
How shameful was this panel?
In French translations they changed it to something to the effect of "Do you think this says coward?"
Yeah, when you are too ashamed of what you wrote to translate it into a particular language...its time to rethink what you are writing.
But fortunately, Captain America, is a symbol of true and justice, and he wont take this kind of shit lying down, oh no!
Regular marval captain america, the REAL Captain America has set the record straight on this ranting racist.
In an issue of a regular Captain America comic that came out not long afterwards, Real Captain America made a specific comment about how he hated people insulting the French as cowards because of all the brave resistance fighters who helped him against the nazis.
That's right, Real Captain America took a really obvious TAKE THAT at this Ultimate Asshole.
Real Captain America is officially awesome.
But aside from being offensive, stupid, ill informed and everything else...always remember one important thing.
Jokes about the French being cowards are lazy, over done, predictable and INTENSELY unfunny.
This is the weakest most over done joke out there.
If you feel that not making this joke is harming your comedy arsenal, you are not funny and never will be. Ever. Unless you fall off a ladder.
If you want to make fun of someone...lets all have a go at the Dutch. (KIDDING!)
This panel is so ridiculous, even zombie Captain America is getting in on the act of making fun of it.
A friend of mines response to this was-
"Maybe it's just the roid rage?"
That super steroid...I mean super serum must have some side effects after all.
Here is a great one from super dickery.
The quote they added under it was "except the ones that gave you super powers"
Okay, so maybe I'm being too hard on Ultimate Captain America.
Maybe it was just one bad panel, and normally he isn't such a massive douche.
I mean, that was just a one time thing, right? He said something stupid in the heat of the moment, he didn't really mean it as he screamed it like a lunatic.
It's not like Captain America has a problem with any other groups, is it?
Oh dear, Captain, oh dear.
What I find interesting here is that in basically every panel, Captain America seems to be being a dick.
He comes in making a comment about them having "tea time", so right off the bat we're getting xenophobia in there.
The soldier, quite reasonably, asks him why he's not wearing a uniform and Captain gives the weird not-really-an-answer that this is his uniform. Obviously this is just going to confuse the other guy further, so Cap is just being difficult.
The guy points out that they are trying to be stealthy and Captain America is wrapped in a flag to which the Captain makes his bizarre "I'm done hiding comment" which I guess is meant to sound bad ass but really makes him sound like a psycho. It almost sounds like he interprets "Why the hell are you dressed like a flag?" as some kind of attack on his courage or patriotism. He seems to have come into this situation really hostile, and considering his first comment was to mock his fellow soldiers nationalities, the cause of his problem seems to be obvious.
Also, while Cap might be done hiding, does he realise that the rest of his team never got any of those Super drugs he took in the 40's? The ones that stopped him being a loser and made him good at stuff without him having to earn it through hard work? When bullets start flying, other people cant block them or dodge out of the way with magic steroid enhanced agility. So Cap is quite comfortable about putting everyone else in danger, as long as he is okay. I am not sure if that last point is him being racist, as he seems such a jerk I can imagine he probably wouldn't give a shit what other people were getting killed, even if they were American.
The soldier than yells at Cap, and calls him a "Headstrong American Bastard", which to be fair seems a pretty accurate. Now drawing attention to his Americaness is a bit racist, but Cap started it, Cap is literally wrapped in a flag while he insult and talks down to the guy and this guy is not a super hero, hes just some soldier. Captain America should be rising above this kind of thing, not starting it!
Anyway, the guy threatens to dock Captain America's pay. I have no idea how that makes sense, and its pretty clearly just there to set up Captain America's final zinger "Keep it. Use it to fix your teeth."
Wow.
Kinda laying your cards on the table their Captain America.
I can imagine other Americans around this guy going "Whoa, hang on! This man does not speak for me! Captain America is just what he calls himself, its not an official title! I swear I didn't know he was going to come out with this stuff."
Apparently Ultimate Cap has a thing where he kinda scoffs at other people for not being brave or bad ass enough a lot, especially regular human soldiers without super powers.
What a dick.
As I mentioned before, the guy got all his amazing powers from an injection and just lucked out that they haven't been able to make any more of the stuff.
You would think a guy who used to be weak and bullied would know that its not nice to have someone who is physically more powerful than you throw their weight around and belittle you because you aren't as capable as them.
NOPE.
Ultimate Cap thinks anyone who cant block speeding bullets and beat rooms of armed gun men with his bear hands is a pussy little mamas boy.
This is a guy where I end up wanting him to lose his powers, like if they just suddenly wore off and he went back to being a little pip squeak again.
Then we'd see if he was still swaggering around throwing out racism and ignorance all the time.
I'd love to watch him casually insulting the SAS without his magic drugs.
Real soldiers would knock the little fucker on his ass, and frankly I'd cheer.
So Ultimate Cap is a racist, a bully, a hypocrite and an idiot.
But hes ALSO very badly written.
The sad thing is, Ultimate Cap has been to Britain and France (doing that whole fighting the Nazis thing.)
So perhaps hes just a hateful guy who was so confident in his contempt for other cultures that actually seeing the people who live there who didn't fit his stereotypes couldn't change his mind.
Perhaps he was so dumb he honestly didn't realise anything about the countries he was in? It all just washed over him while he hummed star spangled banner and mindlessly killed who ever the government told him to?
Or perhaps he knows these things aren't true, but he needs to put down other countries to big his own one up? Maybe, just as he he has to bully people because he used to be a weakling and is scared we will see him for the fraud he is, with strength and courage that came out of a test tube, his patriotism is so paper thin and shallow that it is constantly about to crumble.
Every time America doesn't live up to the childishly simplistic and unrealistically positive view he holds of it, Captain America is left trembling and unable to justify himself. The only way to compensate is to quickly run down other countries in order to divert attention.
Ultimate Captain America might look big, but hes still the same sacred little loser he always was. All the magic drugs in the world can't fix that.
You could try to argue he holds out dated racist views so says things that aren't "politically correct" as he has 1940's thinking.
Fair enough, but then why are all his prejudices so modern?
Cowardly French, British bad teeth? Those all became prominent in MY life time! Why would a man whose been on ice for 60 years go to those as his default? Patronising views of black people or fears of "the yellow peril" from china etc would make him seem like a man with ignorance from another era. Here is seems like the Captain America is very up to date and topical with his prejudices.
Why is that?
It's because the people writing the Ultimate Universe never gave a shit.
It was a throw away thing where they casually kill characters because they know the "real" ones are still safe.
Fuck Ultimate Captain America.
The A definitely stands for Asshole.
The panel leading up to this has someone telling Captain America he should surrender....
Well, after that statement, I would say the "A" probably stands for "asshole".
No this image is not doctored, yes Captain America did really say that.
I am not taking it out of context, he means exactly what it sounds like he means.
It was, however, the Ultimate Captain America, not the main one (be thankful for small mercies, cap fans.)
Lets look at many of the issues this image raises.
1- Captain America is apparently a racist, xenophobic twat.
The capt, it seems, when under pressure reveals his contempt for other cutures. He's like one of those racists who is perfectly okay most of the time, but when they get mad at someone who aint white, their insults take a surprising and unpleasant turn.
This is particularly pathetic coming from a guy who is meant to stand up for American ideals. Apparently in Cap's mind this means putting down other cultures in order to big up his own. I always assumed Captain American represented a slightly more positive, enlightened vision of America...but the writers for the Ultimate universe are on hand to correct me.
2- Captain America is a fucking moron.
The French are cowardly? Seriously? Is that the level of humour we are going for?
It is such a weak stereotype as well. What is it based on?
WW2? Yeah that one was seventy years ago! And anyone who knows anything about history would know that the supposed cowardice of French soldiers did not lead to their defeat (this will be addressed further in point 3).
What other examples are there to back up this notion that idiots now seem to take as gospel?
The Iraq War? That wasn't them being cowards! That was them not being stupid! That war was so dumb that even the guy who came up with the idea that French Fries should be renamed "freedom fries" as come out and admitted it was disasterous mistake with hind site.
That's it, thats the entire basis of that sterotype.
Worse yet, its very very recent.
It became super popular after the ramp up to war began, but prior to that it really wasn't a stereotype.
People forget that the nation of cowards used to be Italy.
You know that joke about how many gears does a french tank have? I heard that 20 years ago about the Italians.
It's the same stupid, ill conceived stereotype just fitted to the disliked country of the moment.
3- THIS IS FUCKING CAPTAIN AMERICA, WHAT THE HELL?
If anyone should know their fucking history it is captain god damn america!
This guy fought in WW2, doing secret missions against the nazis....IN OCCUPIED FRANCE! He knew members of the French resistance PERSONALLY!
Unless the super serum made him a super moron as well, he would be well aware of Free French units fighting for the allies.
But apparently all their sacrifices and heroic efforts don't mean dick to Ultimate Captain America.
How shameful was this panel?
In French translations they changed it to something to the effect of "Do you think this says coward?"
Yeah, when you are too ashamed of what you wrote to translate it into a particular language...its time to rethink what you are writing.
But fortunately, Captain America, is a symbol of true and justice, and he wont take this kind of shit lying down, oh no!
Regular marval captain america, the REAL Captain America has set the record straight on this ranting racist.
In an issue of a regular Captain America comic that came out not long afterwards, Real Captain America made a specific comment about how he hated people insulting the French as cowards because of all the brave resistance fighters who helped him against the nazis.
That's right, Real Captain America took a really obvious TAKE THAT at this Ultimate Asshole.
Real Captain America is officially awesome.
But aside from being offensive, stupid, ill informed and everything else...always remember one important thing.
Jokes about the French being cowards are lazy, over done, predictable and INTENSELY unfunny.
This is the weakest most over done joke out there.
If you feel that not making this joke is harming your comedy arsenal, you are not funny and never will be. Ever. Unless you fall off a ladder.
If you want to make fun of someone...lets all have a go at the Dutch. (KIDDING!)
This panel is so ridiculous, even zombie Captain America is getting in on the act of making fun of it.
A friend of mines response to this was-
"Maybe it's just the roid rage?"
That super steroid...I mean super serum must have some side effects after all.
Here is a great one from super dickery.
The quote they added under it was "except the ones that gave you super powers"
Okay, so maybe I'm being too hard on Ultimate Captain America.
Maybe it was just one bad panel, and normally he isn't such a massive douche.
I mean, that was just a one time thing, right? He said something stupid in the heat of the moment, he didn't really mean it as he screamed it like a lunatic.
It's not like Captain America has a problem with any other groups, is it?
Oh dear, Captain, oh dear.
What I find interesting here is that in basically every panel, Captain America seems to be being a dick.
He comes in making a comment about them having "tea time", so right off the bat we're getting xenophobia in there.
The soldier, quite reasonably, asks him why he's not wearing a uniform and Captain gives the weird not-really-an-answer that this is his uniform. Obviously this is just going to confuse the other guy further, so Cap is just being difficult.
The guy points out that they are trying to be stealthy and Captain America is wrapped in a flag to which the Captain makes his bizarre "I'm done hiding comment" which I guess is meant to sound bad ass but really makes him sound like a psycho. It almost sounds like he interprets "Why the hell are you dressed like a flag?" as some kind of attack on his courage or patriotism. He seems to have come into this situation really hostile, and considering his first comment was to mock his fellow soldiers nationalities, the cause of his problem seems to be obvious.
Also, while Cap might be done hiding, does he realise that the rest of his team never got any of those Super drugs he took in the 40's? The ones that stopped him being a loser and made him good at stuff without him having to earn it through hard work? When bullets start flying, other people cant block them or dodge out of the way with magic steroid enhanced agility. So Cap is quite comfortable about putting everyone else in danger, as long as he is okay. I am not sure if that last point is him being racist, as he seems such a jerk I can imagine he probably wouldn't give a shit what other people were getting killed, even if they were American.
The soldier than yells at Cap, and calls him a "Headstrong American Bastard", which to be fair seems a pretty accurate. Now drawing attention to his Americaness is a bit racist, but Cap started it, Cap is literally wrapped in a flag while he insult and talks down to the guy and this guy is not a super hero, hes just some soldier. Captain America should be rising above this kind of thing, not starting it!
Anyway, the guy threatens to dock Captain America's pay. I have no idea how that makes sense, and its pretty clearly just there to set up Captain America's final zinger "Keep it. Use it to fix your teeth."
Wow.
Kinda laying your cards on the table their Captain America.
I can imagine other Americans around this guy going "Whoa, hang on! This man does not speak for me! Captain America is just what he calls himself, its not an official title! I swear I didn't know he was going to come out with this stuff."
Apparently Ultimate Cap has a thing where he kinda scoffs at other people for not being brave or bad ass enough a lot, especially regular human soldiers without super powers.
What a dick.
As I mentioned before, the guy got all his amazing powers from an injection and just lucked out that they haven't been able to make any more of the stuff.
You would think a guy who used to be weak and bullied would know that its not nice to have someone who is physically more powerful than you throw their weight around and belittle you because you aren't as capable as them.
NOPE.
Ultimate Cap thinks anyone who cant block speeding bullets and beat rooms of armed gun men with his bear hands is a pussy little mamas boy.
This is a guy where I end up wanting him to lose his powers, like if they just suddenly wore off and he went back to being a little pip squeak again.
Then we'd see if he was still swaggering around throwing out racism and ignorance all the time.
I'd love to watch him casually insulting the SAS without his magic drugs.
Real soldiers would knock the little fucker on his ass, and frankly I'd cheer.
So Ultimate Cap is a racist, a bully, a hypocrite and an idiot.
But hes ALSO very badly written.
The sad thing is, Ultimate Cap has been to Britain and France (doing that whole fighting the Nazis thing.)
So perhaps hes just a hateful guy who was so confident in his contempt for other cultures that actually seeing the people who live there who didn't fit his stereotypes couldn't change his mind.
Perhaps he was so dumb he honestly didn't realise anything about the countries he was in? It all just washed over him while he hummed star spangled banner and mindlessly killed who ever the government told him to?
Or perhaps he knows these things aren't true, but he needs to put down other countries to big his own one up? Maybe, just as he he has to bully people because he used to be a weakling and is scared we will see him for the fraud he is, with strength and courage that came out of a test tube, his patriotism is so paper thin and shallow that it is constantly about to crumble.
Every time America doesn't live up to the childishly simplistic and unrealistically positive view he holds of it, Captain America is left trembling and unable to justify himself. The only way to compensate is to quickly run down other countries in order to divert attention.
Ultimate Captain America might look big, but hes still the same sacred little loser he always was. All the magic drugs in the world can't fix that.
You could try to argue he holds out dated racist views so says things that aren't "politically correct" as he has 1940's thinking.
Fair enough, but then why are all his prejudices so modern?
Cowardly French, British bad teeth? Those all became prominent in MY life time! Why would a man whose been on ice for 60 years go to those as his default? Patronising views of black people or fears of "the yellow peril" from china etc would make him seem like a man with ignorance from another era. Here is seems like the Captain America is very up to date and topical with his prejudices.
Why is that?
It's because the people writing the Ultimate Universe never gave a shit.
It was a throw away thing where they casually kill characters because they know the "real" ones are still safe.
Fuck Ultimate Captain America.
The A definitely stands for Asshole.