Shadowrun- White Guilt the RPG

What was that one time that someone could fire a musket every seven seconds?

That was broken...

It sounds like muskets are better in PF than they were in a 3.5 3rd party supplement which had guns and other Industrial Revolution tech (I think it was called Iron Heart). I know guns in that take an age to reload and require Exotic Weapon Proficiency.

Tempest killing each other over minor slights is EXACTLY what orcs and gnolls and other bad guys would normally do.
Telling them "Kill the others and I'll help make you the lead orc" wouldn't be asking them to do anything out of character at all.
And even then "Go and wait outside." instantly removes bad guys automatically.
Mind control is simply too good a power to hand out.

Tiberia I'll put that RPG in its own thread so we can discuss it properly, cause it sounds interesting.

Ugh Tempest you're starting to argue with me for the sake of arguing.
Sorry if I am racially profiling Sauron's mooks too much. I'll try to over come my racism towards the evil minions of darkness and learn to see each of them as a special snowflake and appreciate how some of them really care about and love each other.

Seriously though, if you can't see how mind control breaks the game, you need to use your imagination more.
Enemies have a secret plan?
Kidnap a random one of them, charm him and have him explain to you in exact detail what it involves.
Enemies set traps in the dungeon?
Grab any random orc and have him mark every single trap on a map for you.
Short of natural disasters or storms, you have to think really hard to come up with a problem you CAN'T Instantly fix with mind control.
Not sure who the murderer is?
Charm each person and then ask them if you can help with the murder plan.

Think of ANY senario in the forum rpg and then add in that the goodguys can charm people and see how much easier the plot goes.
There is not a single scenario that wouldn't have become laughably easy if the heroes could do that.


Frankly, a world where charm spells are common place sound NIGHTMARISH.
Sometimes people can just zap you and make you think they are your most trusted friend?
Why would you ever rob someone conventionally when you can have them literally give you all their valuables and tell you all their secrets.
Rapists don't need to attack people, you can zap them to do literally what ever you want.
Shadowrun turns into farce when you realise that the "Magic terorrists" wouldn't be blowing things up with fireballs, they would mind control the entire government to be their slaves and agree to their demands or have every big business leader transfer all their assets over to them.
That kind of power would cause the entirety of society to crumble pretty much over night.
I think, therefore I am.
So if others are deciding what I think, do I even exist in any meaningful way? Everything I am can be rewritten in an instant by any wizard that feels like it in a way that is undetectable and unpreventable.

Going back to the odd morals of Shadowrun, one thing thats makes the games message weird is that its trying to do environmentalism kind of in reverse to the way its normally done.

Normally stories about the environment show a messed up future where everything is polluted and evil corporate types laugh about how much money that makes them. You know, the classics.
It makes for a cool dark setting and demonstrates that pouring toxic waste everywhere is a shitty thing to do etc.
In Shadowrun, nature has hit back and magical powers and monsters and tribal people who are in touch with mother earth have retaken the world.
Asside from the racism I already covered, this hippy wet dream doesn't really make you think pollution is bad. It sort of seems pollution solves itself and we shouldn't worry about it.
Corporations aren't that powerful, as tribal types just opt out of their control and can basically do just fine with no negative consequence.
Its sort of the opposite of an effective environmental message.
The authors are so happy at the "spiritual" cultures over throwing their oppressors and mother nature asserting her authority they don't really consider that this kinda makes the natives and mother nature the bad guys.

This is a grim future where even the motorbikes are electric, making them clean and quiet.
Damn...can't I even make lots of noise and smoke in my imagination?

Renard her and the truthsaying are the closest you are allowed.
Charm in DnD means the person literally believes you are his best friend and acts accordingly.
Also known as "instant fix for all problems."