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Post by Horsie on Oct 18, 2015 23:51:26 GMT
Whenever I've looked things up to understand what you're all talking about when Hark is hating on something from 40K, I've been swamped in art of giant guys in even bigger suits of armour, with pauldrons that limit their vision to what's directly ahead of them, with no helmets, carrying firearms that are probably nearly the size of a normal man's torso, and screaming while they fire it from the hip.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 19, 2015 0:01:16 GMT
Yes.
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Post by Horsie on Oct 19, 2015 0:29:10 GMT
The more I read about these guys the more ridiculous they seem.
Did you know they don't have ribs? According to the things I just read they've been altered to have a single, solid plate of bone instead of a ribcage, which I'm sure sounds like a good idea at first, but among other things it would cause breathing problems.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 19, 2015 0:56:33 GMT
Huh. They also spit acid.
Though that worked out when one Space Marine got his helmet knocked off and the evil Elf rip off Dark Eldar guy took his helmet off to gloat. The result was the Elfy took acid spit to the eyes and proceeded to get his ass kicked. So some writers weren't idiots.
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Post by demonnachos on Oct 19, 2015 1:16:04 GMT
Anyone else find it hard to not notice that many "Armors" in films is obviously just plastic?
I also can't help but notice that they seem to think people in the medieval period didn't know what color was and all of their clothing is drab brown.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 19, 2015 1:50:47 GMT
I've complained before that armour in hollywood films never does anything. Every orc in lord of the rings wears about 200 pounds of armour but not once does any of that armour ever save any of them! The only time anyone wearing armour ever helps stop anything is a magic mithril shirt that is madeof special super metal and is indestructible! I would sent my orcs in just wearing pants and warpaint. They would still look scarey but it would save a lot of time on resources equipping them with useless junk!
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Post by demonnachos on Oct 19, 2015 1:55:08 GMT
I remember Gandalf smacking an orc during the fight in Minas Tireth and his sword gleefully bounced off the guy yet he fell down. I do always enjoy when guys in full plate go down from a sword drawn across their armor. I think it is out of common decency for the named characters, as they always only attack one at a time as well.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 20, 2015 14:44:21 GMT
Gandalf is such a powerful wizard that you have to fall down dead regardless.
Or all Orcs have brittle bone disease.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 20, 2015 14:51:45 GMT
The reason armour never helps in movies is from a misconception film makers have about what is "boring" to an audience. Its the idea that if someone attacks and the attack fails for some reason, audiences will lose interest.
It is the same reason that in old films the never have people block during fists fights and it seems like the combatants are just taking turns to smack each other. You can see this at its worst in a lot of Van Damne Action films, where no fucker seems to know how to block...or even put their hands in front of their face! I would be literally zero use in a fist fight but even I would probably put my hands infront of my face if it kept getting hit!
More modern movies have shown that the logic of a fight can be more interesting than that, but with armour this way of thinking still seems to hold sway.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 20, 2015 16:19:53 GMT
The old sort of movie rapier sword fighting films (Zorro ones especially, and the Musketeers) also demonstrate a certain understanding of how things work. I've done quite a bit of fencing, and the thing that I noticed most in some of these movies is that to seem really flashy and quick, most of the fighting actually just involves a stab, followed by a windshield wiper parry, followed by a simple stab, followed by windshield wiper parry, ad infinitum. No disengages, not point in line, nothing that even a medium level fencer like myself would recognize.
Now, fencing is as historical as kendo, so it isn't the height of swordsmanship, but we do know that smallsword or rapier fighting was a bit more impressive than what movies make it look like!
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Post by demonnachos on Oct 21, 2015 8:10:20 GMT
Speaking of movie fights, I am not the only one who noticed the less lethal your attack is the higher chance it has to hitting in film? Can't land a single sword cut, but can kick and punch the other guy without any issue.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 21, 2015 9:28:08 GMT
The law of diminishing returns.
Typical A-Team episode tally:
200 rounds of ammunition fired. Targets hit: 0
5 explosions. Fatalities: 0 Injuries: Some minor limps.
3 jeeps flipped. Fatalities: 0 Injuries: Some minor limps + one guy holding his arm (but he'll prolly be fine).
20 punches thrown. Punches landed: 20
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 22, 2015 2:39:38 GMT
I always assumed the punches and kicks was because when you have a weapon your opponent is focused on defending against the weapon so kicks or punches are moe of a surprise move. Like he or she is concentrating on blocking your sword so you kick them etc. Also...yeah obviously we can't have the hero get killed too early on but we need to rough him or her up a bit to make it exciting!
Wordweaver the A-Team could have mowed everyone down immediately if they had wanted two but- 1- The are already on the run, if they start stacking up bodies then the forces coming after them would massively escalate.
2- More importantly they've seen enough war and killing to not want to engage in that kind of thing if it can be avoided and they are so fucking bad ass that they can avoid it and still save the day.
The A-Team are fucking awesome!
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Post by demonnachos on Oct 23, 2015 4:42:13 GMT
Most of the punches and kicks are so telegraphed and obvious that only a fool would actually be hit by them though. I found some actual mail in Once Upon a Time, too bad the obviously plastic "armor" is so obviously plastic:
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 24, 2015 3:26:38 GMT
The A-Team are fucking awesome! That point notwithstanding, it's impossible to control the outcome of automobile accidents and explosions. And the A-Team really deserved a better movie.
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