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Post by Harkovast on Nov 7, 2015 17:13:50 GMT
I've realised that I need to stop calling this game a "card game".
People are getting the wrong idea. People are comparing it to buying a pack of 60 magic cards and expecting a similar price.
From now on, we're calling it a board game. Nots not collectible, its a fixed thing with set cards, along with dice, counters and coins. It has lots of cards in it, but so does monopoly!
Boardgame isn't entirely accurate but I honestly think it gives a more accurate impression of what this thing is.
For one thing, you only need one copy for up to four people, rather than needing everyone to get a collection of cards to play with each other.
That should clarify expectations.
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Post by StyxD on Nov 7, 2015 17:45:46 GMT
You should call it... a cardboard game. . . . What people are getting the wrong idea?
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 7, 2015 17:58:22 GMT
On the comments people are comparing if it will cost the same as a deck of magic cards, and that just seems kinda ridiculous. You get a LOT of stuff in Clash of Nations. Plastic coins, glass beads, plastic dice of varous types, and tons of cards.
When people are saying they want it to cost a fiver, it just seems ridiculous. A board game gives a better idea of what you are getting in for.
Honestly you get a lot in the box! We've tried our best to make sure you get everything you need to play, with no other stuff required. You don't even need a pencil or paper as there is nothing the game requires you to record that isn't shown with dice in the game.
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 7, 2015 18:02:19 GMT
Good point.
And with the expansion bits you can also play an even larger game. There are 10 nations. It would take a month, but you probably could do it.
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 7, 2015 21:34:41 GMT
Maybe "Table top game" As it doesn't technically include a board.
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 7, 2015 21:48:01 GMT
Something some fixed card games do is include single copies of some cards, so you have to buy multiple copies of the game to make the ideal deck. This seems really shady to us, so Harkovast does not work that way.
Though I suppose you could buy a second copy if you want to changethe game up (like add more regiments to each race, that kinda thing) the game has everything you need and doesn't try to get you a buy more copies to be able to play competitively.
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 7, 2015 23:42:28 GMT
I asked my brother and used the example of Smashup, which also comes with all the cards you need to play (expansions involve other decks, of course, but that is different). His reaction was basically "I have no idea what to call it." A "Card-Board Game" as a suggestion got a laugh and a "yeah, like that."
"A Card-Board Game in some ways akin to games like "Smash Up" or "Netrunner". Etc.
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 8, 2015 0:15:55 GMT
Yeah I am just going to start saying table top game. Its a bit vague but I think it gives people the right idea.
Net runner or smash up is a good comparisson, its very much that kind of arrangement (but better with more in the box and awesome furries obviously!)
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Post by RED_NED on Nov 8, 2015 9:52:47 GMT
The game is set up so you always have 4 nation decks. This is so with less than 4 players there is still a good selection of characters to buy each turn. There is absolutely nothing wrong with adding more decks if you wanted to play with 5, 6 or 7 players, it's just that you end up making the 'roster' eminently more complicated because now everyone has 7 characters to choose from instead of 4 every turn. Mainly having a whole load of challenges in play and loads of players all supporting/opposing each other is where it would get really complicated. I think the 'official' terminology for a game like this a boardgame, but under the category type of 'card game'. We are going to make a Boardgamegeek.com page for it, and that's how it will have to be classified on there. Here's a quick look at the amount of stuff you get in the starter set (+rulebook and box):
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 8, 2015 14:20:56 GMT
You can add even more by getting the expansion sets to add up to 6 more races, experiences to upgrade your characters and decks for Eldex and The West.
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 8, 2015 19:41:13 GMT
Well, of course I'm going to be getting the whole kaboodle.
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Post by xinef on Nov 8, 2015 20:22:38 GMT
On the comments people are comparing if it will cost the same as a deck of magic cards, and that just seems kinda ridiculous. I guess I'm the "people" you're referring to I think you might have overreacted to my comment, but since one of my intentions was to provoke you to reveal some more information about the game and to start some discussion about the price, I guess it's not too bad. I'm just trying to provide constructive feedback, but since I don't have time to keep up to date with the forums, I just know the details from the comic descriptions and comments there. To begin with, I'd like to clarify: When I say "in the price range of a MtG deck" I don't mean that the game has to be that cheap as a whole. I only mean that I won't personally pay more than that. If I can find three more people willing to pay and we can split the costs, it means the price range drops to a quarter from my perspective. If I can talk a gaming club or store into buying the game and renting it for a fraction of the price, that's another way to lower the price range into manageable levels. A second thing worth mentioning: I said I spent about 40 PLN on a MtG deck. That's about $10, €10 or £7 That's in fact very cheap even for a MtG deck. It's slightly less than a starter deck. People who play competitively often spend ten times as much, or more. I'm a casual player though, so I just hand-picked some of the cheapest cards. Alternatively, I could have bought cards from people who stopped playing MtG and are selling their decks, that's another way to get cards much cheaper than at the store. So I find it somewhat misleading when you say "cost the same as a deck of magic cards". It's just that an average MtG deck probably costs much more than the one I mentioned. And to sum it up: I'm not EXPECTING the game to be that cheap. I'm just saying that my limited budget won't allow me to buy it at full price. The problem isn't with the game's price. The problem is with my budget. You see, I'm just doing a doctorate, while working half-time in my university. In Poland. I could probably buy the game at full price if I really wanted to, but it would probably cost me a few times more than I'm comfortable with. One more thing: The addition of dice, coins, beads etc. is probably a detriment for me. I already have a set of dice (for RPGs) and a set of plastic counters (for MLP CCG). I'd rather buy just the cards, if it meant the box would cost me that much less. But then again, I could just buy the box, then sell the dice and counters, so I guess it's not really that much of a problem. Oh, and you mentioned console games in the comments. To be honest, I'm a Linux Gamer, so my console of choice is PC I usually try to buy games for less than $5. There are so many great games, like Fallout 1, Heroes of Might and Magic 2 & 3, Master of Magic, Master of Orion, Baldurs Gate, ... I could probably name hundreds of great games that cost less than $5 and are much better than most of the overpriced console games. Why would I spend piles of money on new games, if I can buy ten better, old games instead? To be honest, I did a few times buy games for more than $20, but the only ones that I don't regret buying are Minecraft and Kerbal Space Program. Everything else was kinda "play once and forget", in other words "why even play once?". (some notable examples -> the Eador series, the first game, Eador Genesis was great, so I spent a whole bunch of money on the sequel. I think I might have even fallen for the pre-release crap. But of course, the sequel was muuuuuch worse, buggy, failed to deliver a Linux version even though it was promised, and overall I returned to playing Genesis after much frustration; another example -> X-Com Enemy Unknown, I think I bought the game because tactical turn based games are just my favorite, there aren't many of them and I thought it would be an important one to stay up to date with the genre. But to be honest, Xenonauts trump over it and will be the game I'll return to more than once.)
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Post by RED_NED on Nov 8, 2015 20:42:40 GMT
We've had a few people think that when we describe it as a card game, its like a CCG or LCG, and that's on us. Calling it a boardgame I think makes a clearer divide, because boardgames are very broad so people will have less assumptions? As long time MTG players, it's an easy comparison for us to make when explaining it to people but then we end up just telling them how its NOT like magic But what's important is that we are clear what the game is, and then people can decide if it's for them or not. By chance the starter game will come with 240 cards (100 Nation cards in four 25 card decks, 80 Events and 60 Challenges) which is exactly the same as 4 magic decks, so if it is priced reasonably then it should be good for 4 people to split the cost. I would hope for the starter game to cost about £40-ish? But that doesn't include shipping. We haven't worked out exactly how to sell it yet, but we have some options. The counters and stuff is tricky, because it does drive up the cost of the game. But it also makes it a complete game for people that don't have eight D20's of specific colours. One BIG hurdle at the minute is the box itself that it comes in as that is an expensive cost too, while technically being useless. But again, I think most people would feel terrible if the game didn't come in a proper box either. That said – We could technically do a 'No Frills' version that is totally stripped down and just has the cards. It would be dirt cheap but isn't something I would really think of as being that desirable for many people. Oh and I think Hark said console game cos they are a larger cost. I don't think Hark and I could compete with Steam prices!! (Oh and kerbal space command is amazing, I was playing that only last week)
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 8, 2015 20:48:02 GMT
There is a limit to how man versions and break downs of the game we can do, so we would rather have the game be entirely complete, rather than expect people purchasing to have to go and buy other stuff or already own that stuff.
Also some of it is kinda specific, like two colours of d20 and d10. A lot of people might have that but not everyone will.
The coins come with stickers to make them in proper Eslum Soveriegns, bearing the image of the Mariner (partially defaced.)
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 8, 2015 21:00:32 GMT
Question:
Where are these comments?
Is there a link to the thing?
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