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Post by Harkovast on Dec 2, 2016 21:59:59 GMT
Read this article.Read it? I will assume you have or the rest of what I am going to say wont make any sense. Right, so apparantly these kind of tehcniques are just normal in America. That kinda blew my mind with horror. I mean obviously if you preasure and confuse people enough you can get some of them to agree to anything to make it stop! Especially using these kind of techniques on someone wiht learning difficulties or kids it horrifying. I'm stunned that this shit is considered normal! Also the idea that someone being nervous or crying proves guilt is INSANE! If you put me in a room and kept insisting you had evidence I had committed a crime and was going to jail for ever, you bet I would get nervous and upset!
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Post by StyxD on Dec 2, 2016 22:17:09 GMT
If you put me in a room and kept insisting you had evidence I had committed a crime and was going to jail for ever, you bet I would get nervous and upset! Also, if you float on water, you're a witch. Fact. |
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 2, 2016 22:38:40 GMT
Yeah, its literally on that level!
You assume someone is guilty and then try to force them to admit to it.
Comparing it to some whacky witch trial is barely exaggerating.
And this is NORMAL for American police.
They have been doing it since the 1950s!
I was releived to learn they stopped doing that shit over here.
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Post by Horsie on Dec 3, 2016 0:45:15 GMT
I wonder if they do that here? I somehow doubt it, people would take the cops to court over it, it's proven that it's entirely possible to get the average person to make incriminating statements (or even outright admit to something they haven't done or haven't witnessed) if you make enough threats and spend a while shouting at them.
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 3, 2016 2:48:28 GMT
This stuff really scares me.
The idea that police are being trained in methods to produce confessions, whether they are false or real, is so dreadful.
These are policemen mentally tormenting and tricking people till they agree to imagined crimes, and goign home thinking they are actually serving justice.
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 3, 2016 6:30:04 GMT
Well, at least it isn't Italy.
But yeah... that is, um, pretty bad. So much for a commitment to actual justice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 19:33:15 GMT
Some more horror stories, this time out of Chicago. The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site. |
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 4, 2016 19:47:02 GMT
This makes me feel like talking about Black Lives Mattering, important as that is and terrible as american police killing/abusing black people is, is only scraping the surface.
It's like the more you peal layers away the more you see and the worse it gets.
The system does not seem fit for purpose as it is.
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 4, 2016 21:26:52 GMT
This kind of shit would explain why the Black community is pissed off at police too, as they tend to be disproportionately involved.
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 4, 2016 21:33:26 GMT
Its an issue thats going to fall on them as hard or harder than on anyone else.
I don't want to down play that, but I think it might be more effective to rally people to this cause as a general issue that affects everyone (becuase it is and it does!) White people, especially poor ones or ones lacking education, get fucked over aggressively by these problems as well.
It should be eveyrone coming over to get mad at the system, but some how it ends up as disperate groups fighting each other rather than tackling the powers that be.
I feel like the rich and powerful stay where they are by playing the rest of us against each other.
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 4, 2016 21:46:50 GMT
Of course. The Middle Class, though, aren't going to really care because they don't usually think they have to worry about this stuff. In fact, that is where the "an attack on the police is an attack on us" attitude really takes off.
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