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Post by TempestFennac on Dec 29, 2016 6:01:32 GMT
The North Koreans found a photo of a unicorn cave (we know it was one because of the sign outside). As for Big Foot, I remember watching one episode of Animal X which involved hunting for it and they were able to find some hairs from an unidentified species in a large indentation which could have been caused by a large ape-like thing laying down but hard evidence hasn't been found (I doubt the Tibetan monks who claim to have a Yeti skull would have let anyone analyse it). I suppose there's a chance that both of those creatures are gay being as certain other mammals often are.
That's a good point about this helping extremists. It would help if people remembered a certain quote about judging people by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin (while preferably adding "or biological sex or sexual preferences" to the list). I read that Kanye did say he'd have voted for Trump if he'd bothered. I forgot to comment on the "America never was great" part yesterday but I'll admit that, while I know this doesn't stop women or ethnic minorities being successful, I do have to wonder whether any countries have ever really been great considering how there's always been issues with them (eg: here it pretty much ranges from meddling in other countries affairs because we don't like their government to only 1/10 men over the age of 21 having the vote).
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 29, 2016 21:31:37 GMT
It sounds silly, but I honestly feel like if Reverend King showed up today, the left would despise him with a passion. Talking about not judging on race is actively viewed as racist, and black people who don't agree with the agenda are viewed as race traitors (stormfront and the white supremacists have a lot of nasty word for black people, but Coon is a racist term only SJW types throw around. Yeah....there's a racist term for blacks that is super popular with the anti-racist crowd....let that sink in.) King would be put in the same box as Kanye, and white people would be told they could have him.
Kanye is a laughable buffoon who thinks hes gods gift to the planet earth. But the left were fine with his nonsense until he went to see Trump. They actually loved him when he was saying Bush doesnt care about black people. For the unforgivable crime of liking the new president, MTV believe they can revoke his blackness and "give" him to white people.
So if you think this video is just insulting to white men, MTV is WAAAAAAY ahead of you.
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Post by TempestFennac on Dec 30, 2016 6:55:06 GMT
Sadly, you're probably right. If Malcolm X was around now, he'd probably have more support due to that sort of thinking (not that some of the things he said weren't justified considering how things were at the time).
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Post by wordweaver3 on Dec 30, 2016 7:49:44 GMT
I'm imagining one of those scenes from a Dirty Harry movie where the police chief is giving him a dressing down.
"You stepped out of line, Kanye! You're a loose cannon! You're through! Now give me your black badge and get the hell outta here! I'm going to put Beyonce on your beat."
I wanna know who decided that co-opting the word "coon" for the SJW movement was a good thing. Was there something wrong with "Uncle Tom"?
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Post by TempestFennac on Dec 30, 2016 9:09:50 GMT
They probably either decided that term wasn't offensive enough towards Afro-Americans or that using it discriminated against People With Issues Around Knowing Literary References, which may trigger the sort of people who think books are actually sandwiches with words on them.
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 30, 2016 20:57:38 GMT
Something progressive movements get very upset about these days is anyone questioning their methods. They struggle to separate pointing out that their tactics are not working with attacking their fundamental ideals.
Angry protesting and activism of the kind we associate with Malcolm X are VERY effective...but only in a specific way. They are great early on in a movement to shake people up, get attention and make everyone take an issue serious. The problem is if they go on much beyond that point they start to discredit the movement, with the broader public remembering anger, violence and prejudiced views rather than the original message the protests were meant to highlight. We can see this most obviously in the Black Lives Matter movement, which has pretty much sabotaged itself at this point by assuming its initial success meant that if it did more of the same tactics, it would get even more success.
People need to realise that it doesn't matter how right you are (or think you are), you have to consider how you present your message.
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 30, 2016 21:01:21 GMT
With regard to why Coon became popular, its hard to say, it just seems to have become the "cool" thing to say. I think it stems from the fact that they are so focused on identity politics, that someone going against the narrative for a minority is hard for them to dal with and makes them angry. A black person saying he doesn't like BLM for example is just intolerable and they need a way to express that.
It sounds silly, but I honestly think Tempest Fennec might be onto something that they dont say uncle tom because people dont get the literary reference.
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 30, 2016 21:40:45 GMT
Before I forget, let me give you 100 points word weaver for amusing me lately.
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Post by StyxD on Dec 30, 2016 23:24:08 GMT
Literary references? Just in 2015, there were news about a racist subreddit that was taken down, that had "coon" in its name. If SJW are not caring about this kind of things enough to notice, what are they even doing?
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 31, 2016 2:52:15 GMT
Any evidence for the use of "coon" by SJW types who are actually SJW types? I'd like to take you at your word Hark, but this is too fucking crazy. Also, if so, how widespread is this really? That being said, it should be pointed out that at the end of his life Malcom X was actually becoming less radical... whereas Martin Luther King was becoming MORE radical (apparently). Frankly, that whole "peaceful protest" shit wasn't even King's idea, it was this gay black dude who basically became an advisor to the movement but, of course, who couldn't be super associated with it because, well, he had some past "indiscretions" that looked bad. Well, not really I suppose given King's infidelity, so it was actually just the fact he was gay and those indiscretions involved men. What was his name again? Bayard Rustin, this guy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin#Gay_rightsFascinating fellow, he was one of the people to push for a non-violent movement.
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Post by TempestFennac on Dec 31, 2016 6:00:18 GMT
I'd heard about Bayard a while back. Regarding MX and MLK, that's kind of ironic, especially since I'd read that they had an arrangement where MX would scare the establishment with his extreme solutions while MLK would present a theoretically more reasonable* 3rd way so some benefits would be likely to be brought about.
*Considering a lot of people, they probably just classed the idea of equality to be as controversial as theories promoted by people like David Icke are today.
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 31, 2016 7:19:11 GMT
He was cool.
It was an interesting strategy. Of course, we have a lot of the MX but not really any MLKJ now. Or, at least, we ignore the more MLKJ types.
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 31, 2016 16:01:38 GMT
Canuovea examples of them calling people cool are a little hard to produce, because those pop up in twitter feeds and youtube comments, rather than in actual articles. I should clarify its not something all SJW types do, but its certainly a thing. I've seen it a few times, and black youtubers who don't agree with SJWs refer to receiving these types of comments. It would be hard to look up examples, and would take me a long time to put together a big convincing list.
More wide spread then the specific names is what we see in this video, the revoking of someones "blackness" for not agreeing with them. The ideology is pretty clearly laid out. Kanye doesn't agree with our agenda, Kanye is a traitor and we no longer consider him one of the group we are trying to protect. This view of black people who wont tow the line IS very wide spread in these communities.
The logic of seeing a black person as a sell out and a race traitor is naturally going to lead to people calling them a coon or uncle Tom. Imagine people who agreed with this videos description of Kanye. How do you think they would talk about Kanye, especially when they are being unguarded? We have racist insults for black men who are considered race traitors or sell outs to whites. In this video we see Kanye being viewed this way. Rather than being unlikely they would resort to these insults, it seems almost inevitable!
I like to hope you would believe me, since I'm trying to be honest. If I wanted to lie to you I could choose far less controversial things to persuade you of. Not everything I say here I am going to be able to find you proof of, because its just my personal experience I'm relaying.
But the view that black people who don't agree are traitors is clearly going on. MTV felt it was so uncontroversial they could joke about it in their video. It is just taken for granted. They think Kanye should know why he is a traitor, since its so obvious to them. They don't need to justify it, its something thats settled in their minds. It seems very optimistic to not expect insults to get brought into play when dealing with a group they hate (and they REALLY don't like black people who don't agree!)
The irony, of course, is that there is another group of people who think black people should know their place and not get out of line. I think we know who they are. The horse shoe theory seems more and more accurate all the time.
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 31, 2016 20:38:55 GMT
There is a fair logical bent to what you're saying Hark, and I don't think you're lying per se... its just that after recent events it seems like we need to be careful with what we hear on the Internet.
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 31, 2016 21:12:22 GMT
Hahahha that's a fair point! All I can report is that I've seen several occasions of that happening. But if you like, we can put "sjws say coon" in the uncertain box. I don't feel I need to defend that one as fact.
The video demonstrates that SJWs entirely believe in the concept BEHIND the words coon or Uncle Tom.
Black people have to agree with the opinions of the progressive left or they are traitors, sell outs and not really black in some way. Again, MTV feel confident enough about that concept to openly put it in a video. Even if they don't use the word, its what they mean.
The dangers of identity politics are kinda laid bare here. People are put into groups based on who they are. Whites are oppressors and privileged, blacks are victims and oppressed.
Whites who won't accept this are racist hate mongers. Blacks that won accept it are race traitors and sell outs.
There's another group of people that believe someone can be a race traitor. I think we know who they are.
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