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Post by Harkovast on Jun 21, 2018 13:33:05 GMT
This is from the left wing, pro EU Guardian newspaper.Well shit...I guess Brexit might have been a good idea after all. I don't want Mama Merkel telling me what I'm allowed to post on the web. In the face of terrorism, tension from mass immigration, stumbling economies and the rise of the far right...the EU wants to respond by clamping down on my ability to use the internet freely. Maybe I am not politically smart, but I don't think memes are a threat to the free world. I know they said Pepe was a Nazi and that feels bad man, but I'm still not buying the idea that people posting pictures they don't own is a danger to the free world. This feels like they are failing so are trying to clamp down on free expression in the hopes of limiting how badly people realise they are failing. Honestly, no joke, this makes me think maybe Brexit WAS the right thing to do. If this is how they view the world, I want no part of it.
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Post by Harkovast on Jun 22, 2018 14:11:50 GMT
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Post by StyxD on Jun 22, 2018 14:54:16 GMT
These kind of messages are related to GDPR which has no relation to the censorship bill and is in fact a very good thing.
The reason some of these messages sound so prohibitive is because companies were used to doing fuck all with our data to maximize profits.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jun 22, 2018 17:15:26 GMT
Ads? What are these "ads" they talk of?
Who doesn't use an ad blocker?
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Post by StyxD on Jun 22, 2018 18:26:11 GMT
As for the censorship issue: I've read that until December 2020 Europeans can imigrate to UK on current rules, and the government will help them transition to new rules past that date.
UK will face serious overpopulation problem when all European Internet users move there.
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Post by Canuovea on Jul 5, 2018 1:59:15 GMT
Honestly? I'm kinda torn on this.
I like the free Internet as much as anyone, but eventually the law has to catch up to technology. What is the point of copyright law if it doesn't actually protect stuff?
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Post by Harkovast on Jul 5, 2018 11:45:57 GMT
Games Workshop (one of my other favourite axes to grind) did something like this back in the day. They sent cease and desist orders to all the fan websites using their logos, claiming it was stealing their IP. Yes this was back when they were insane and hated their fans!
It just seems like a dangeorus level of control to give to the powers that be. If any picture can be declared copyright and cant be reproduced, then that has huge implications.
People are saying Star Trek Discovery stinks? Well we will ban anyone sharing pictures from it outside of approved publications, that will shut that conversation down nicely.
Insulting meme mocking the politician? that's stealing his image! We must stop it!
Sadly I feel like the open and free internet we enjoy now won't last much longer. In 10 years time I think it will be a very different place. The people at the top have every incentive to control the way we communicate to their own advantage.
I like the idea of the EU as a trade thing nad pooling the resources of different countries. I'm not even really against the idea of an European Super State if it was set up properly (gasp!) But the EU feels really detached and unaccountable. Like its just powerful people at the top dictating what they want down to the rest of us.
As you probably know, on this forum I try to let people have whatever opinion they want. Sometimes we argue or annoy each other etc but I think its the price to be paid for an open platform. If I started clamping down on what could and couldn't be said, I would have a biased and it would all start getting pushed into the filter of my world view and opinions I dont agree with would end up being the bad ones we need rid of. That is inevitable. When people start clamping down on the internet, the same thing will happen. the poeple higher up will be telling us whats offensive and what's immoral and whats indecent. I'm really strongly against that.
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Post by Harkovast on Jul 5, 2018 13:06:40 GMT
The EU voted against it! So that's some good news at least.
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Post by StyxD on Jul 5, 2018 19:55:10 GMT
Honestly? I'm kinda torn on this. I like the free Internet as much as anyone, but eventually the law has to catch up to technology. What is the point of copyright law if it doesn't actually protect stuff? The problem with this particular reform is that it seems to have been touched by the monkey with a razor effect. I don't have a problem with this law in general, but there are a few points that could have only been conceived by, dare I say, old people who don't use the Internet and have no idea how it works. In particular I mean the article that mandates usage of content filtering algorithms on all sites. Anyone who's ever used YouTube for more than letting their toddler watch Spiderman do unspeakable things to Elsa knows how much the use of such algorithms is making the site a shitshow for people creating legal content like reviews. This is by far the most dangerous article, which will make the whole Internet subject to preventative censorship. It's hard to fathom. It's also the first case where I can honestly say that the polarization of our society came back to bite us in the ass. Since early on someone cried "they're gonna outlaw memes", the people primarily interested in protesting this reform were right-wing youth, framing it predictably as "Marxists want to outlaw memes to censor our truth", which in turn made it easy for lobbyists to react with "LOL at rightists triggered that we're going to take away their frog-man", similar to that USA commission that overturned net neutrality reacted to criticism with clowning. And then most centrists and leftists decided it's some populist FUD not worth paying attention to. We all lost a chance to discuss this issue openly. Games Workshop (one of my other favourite axes to grind) did something like this back in the day. They sent cease and desist orders to all the fan websites using their logos, claiming it was stealing their IP. Yes this was back when they were insane and hated their fans! It just seems like a dangeorus level of control to give to the powers that be. If any picture can be declared copyright and cant be reproduced, then that has huge implications. Well, it actually can happen already. Do you think GW stopped because the law doesn't allow them to do this kind of things anymore? Hardly. I'm not sure that it's the kind of thing we should be worried about in regards to this particular law. When people start clamping down on the internet, the same thing will happen. the poeple higher up will be telling us whats offensive and what's immoral and whats indecent. I'm really strongly against that. This has already happened and will be happening more, alas.
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 26, 2018 1:52:08 GMT
So it seems this is going ahead now. The EU is clamping down on the internet. There really aren't good options these days.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Sept 26, 2018 2:24:11 GMT
Well, that's just [censored] and I can't believe that [inappropriate] in our current climate of [restricted].
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 26, 2018 20:57:04 GMT
Ive been thinking about the EU and a big problem with it is that there is no way to directly influence it for the voters.
If the government here was doing this, I could vote for the other party, or a party that was against that. But with the EU you can vote for your EU MP but they dont campaign with a party platform like in general elections so it takes extra research to know what they will do. But even if you do vote for a guy who is against it and he wins hes just one guy in the parliament. You cna vote for a representative, but not for a prime minister or president figure, so you can't really change anything.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Sept 26, 2018 23:17:30 GMT
Sorta like being a colony.
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 26, 2018 23:30:56 GMT
Yeah. There is representation, but its not very direct.
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