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Post by Harkovast on Oct 5, 2018 15:52:44 GMT
Rock strong! Nothing beat rock! Rock is a geosapian, a race of rock people that live deep unground on the mining world. He is a gentle giant, who is super strong and very difficult to damage. He can climb really well and leap great distances. He doesn't really understand human society, and tends to break doors, crash through walls, climb up buildings and get into trouble. He is used to a simple life climbing around in caverns eating rocks, so doesn't understand the complex surface world. He speaks in broken English, refering to himself in the third person. However he uses rock to mean his species in general, individual members of his species and to refer to normal rocks in general, so sometimes its not clear what he means. I want to have a bit where he is on top of a tower looking down at the bad guys and suggests "throw rock" when Widget looks at a near by rock nad says that it might work, Rock jumps off the building landing on the bad guy, with a screaming Widget clinging to his back. He likes Widget and normally carries the little Magitech on his back. I thought the image of Widget curled up asleep being picked up and carried by a big giant rock guy would be really cute. When he is in darkness, he can make his eyes shine like torch beams, illuminating his way. He doesn't have a big range of expressions, but he can move his eye brows to show if hes happy or not. Rock breaks things a lot, but he wouldn't hurt anyone and can be very gentle. In battles he is hard to damage, so most attacks with bounce off him, while he can hurl objects or smash bad guy robots with his big arms. He's a giant stone gorilla, what more do you want? Lancer calls him a pebble brain and expresses frustration with him, but Rock doesn't mind. Nothing hurt Rock.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 5, 2018 18:18:19 GMT
How does that sword not fit in an escape pod? This just makes the Princess look very very stupid. Or the escape pod designers look very very stupid, one or the other.
Perhaps more importantly, why does the nobody boy get to use said sword? The coterie of heroes has someone who is actually trained in combat who you would think is a better fit.
What does generic boyo bring to the show besides using the titular sword and being an avatar for little boys watching the show?
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 5, 2018 18:37:40 GMT
Fuck, we're pulling back the curtain on the logic behind these characters, aren't we?
Okay so... The Ultra sword is hard to use, like it wont work for most people. So our hero is specially gifted that he can make it work for him, like Widget can say hes surprised a human can get it to work. When they find the princess in episode one he uses it a load and she says he should carry it because he's clearly good with it. She has her Tiara anyway, that has its own set of powers and shes not really about directly attacking people, that isn't her style. Shes the defensive one.
When they meet Lancer later...it would seem kinda weird if Lancer started demanding he hand over his sword to her! like she's trying to mug him! She has her own cool spear anyway.
Also hes heroic and hes got courage and stuff and he gets more skills as time goes on. when we first meet him hes pretty skilled at stuff, evading robot patrols and such.
If its a big concern I can have the escape pods be sent to the same coordinates and one gets damaged by a laser. I just thought two people would get two pods. Perhaps she could take some other supplies, like clothes and food and they take more room.
Maybe when I write out an episode you will see how it comes together better, cause I am sensing this isn't working for you, Canu.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 5, 2018 18:46:19 GMT
First episode we would meet hero dude, princess and widget, second episode they meet Lancer and persuade her to help (she also has a spaceship they can use) then next episode they meet Rock, and then we've got the team together.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 5, 2018 18:48:20 GMT
I wish I could write music. Then I'd write a theme song. Cartoons have to have a kick ass theme tune. And there would be an opening voice over that explains the plot briefly.
Like this-
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 5, 2018 18:50:23 GMT
Or this-
"Only one force can stop this evil!" Classic.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 5, 2018 18:57:47 GMT
Alright. It definitely feels 80s to me, so you got that feeling right, I mean the only name more 80s than Dreadlord is probably Skeletor. The strong point is the actual character designs, what they look like, not the plot or the characters themselves at the moment since we've not really seen too much from them.
The only thing you're missing is a mysterious cloaked fellow who is dark and brooding with ambiguous loyalties who may or may not be on the good guy's side after all. Maybe he is a potential romantic rival? Maybe he's secretly Dreadlord's son? Maybe he's... etc etc etc. I mean, those old shows loved that kind of stuff even though I'm having trouble remembering any examples.
EDIT: With the addition of teleportation, the Princess is officially less Bella Swanish.
"As a human, Bella possessed a natural immunity to the mental powers of vampires. After her transformation into a vampire, she develops it into the ability to project a mental shield that protects others from the psychic powers of other vampires. Her Life and Death counterpart is Beau Swan." Cuz you know, kindness and lovey and family and such.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 5, 2018 19:00:31 GMT
"The Omnispheres have fallen to Dreadlord's evil and now he needs only the power of the Ultra Sword to conquer the entire galaxy! All that stands in his way are *hero dude who needs a name*, Princess Sapphire and their unlikely friends, and their desperate quest to restore freedom and hope to the Omnispheres. These...are the LEGENDS OF THE ULTRA SWORD!"
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 5, 2018 19:03:51 GMT
Princess Sapphire is not like a fucking Twilight character! She has an actual personality for one thing! Also Sapphire makes physical energy shields. Like actual barriers that block projectiles. She has defensive/supporting abilities, that doesn't mean shes passive.
This is pretty 80s. late 80s into 90s went into mutant animal heroes.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 5, 2018 19:09:58 GMT
There isn't really a character that is morally ambigious in terms of they might be bad. I could add one but I don't know if they would get enough screen time if they are hanging out with the bad guys.
Lancer is the most morally suspect. She usually doesnt want to help and grumbles about getting into other peoples problems and has a shady past where she may have betrayed the good guys.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 5, 2018 19:14:54 GMT
I'm not actually saying that you should add it.
Also, you quit in a huff when accused of treason? See, if you're accused of treason, normally you can't just up and leave. Presumably she'd have had to run away. Would be really funny, to, if she actually didn't like the royal family because they didn't support her against the treason charge and forced her to go into hiding.
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Post by StyxD on Oct 5, 2018 20:26:01 GMT
The Magitech know of Shadowtech and consider him very scary and evil! He is implied to be a being of pure evil, who is always malicious and sinister. I liked the idea that the magitech are loveable and funny, but he is creepy and menacing. So, is the Shadow guy not a Magi guy also? Where did he come from? I'm sure there are some good cartoons, but the style of cartoons I watched as a kid seems to have mostly vanished. The episodic, heroes having adventures against a recuring bad guy style show was once absolutely everywhere. I can ream off dozens, now there is perhaps one or two. Is it bad, though? Most of these cartoons existed because people had toys to sell. Lots and lots of toys! And only few of them were ever so good. And they all seemed so similar. They are remaking Thundercats now to be a weird ironic parody thing where the characters look like old chewing gum. Well, in 2011 they tried making them all serious and… pretty political, to be honest. And that failed, unfortunately. Meanwhile, we all know… Teen Titans Go is where the money is at! The Ultra sword is hard to use, like it wont work for most people. So our hero is specially gifted that he can make it work for him, like Widget can say hes surprised a human can get it to work. So… why did they make it a sword exactly for humans? Also, a sword being hard to use is… hard to believe. She has her Tiara anyway, that has its own set of powers and shes not really about directly attacking people, that isn't her style. Shes the defensive one. But isn't also the sword kind of hers? When they meet Lancer later...it would seem kinda weird if Lancer started demanding he hand over his sword to her! like she's trying to mug him! She has her own cool spear anyway. I dunno, that would be an interesting realistic twist. "It was fun playing heroes, boy, but it's time to hand it over to the professional." If its a big concern I can have the escape pods be sent to the same coordinates and one gets damaged by a laser. I just thought two people would get two pods. But… don't the protagonists get the sword back almost immediately? What's the point of separating them? The only thing you're missing is a mysterious cloaked fellow who is dark and brooding with ambiguous loyalties who may or may not be on the good guy's side after all. Maybe he is a potential romantic rival? Maybe he's secretly Dreadlord's son? Wait, wasn't Zuko from Avatar kind of a thing of the 00s, not 90s? Princess Sapphire is not like a fucking Twilight character! However, both Sapphire and Twilight sound like My Little Pony characters. And they are.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 5, 2018 20:59:20 GMT
Also the whole gem name thing gets a bit fucked by Steven Universe.
Edit: Oh yeah, Zuko.
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Post by StyxD on Oct 5, 2018 21:06:25 GMT
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 5, 2018 21:40:33 GMT
Well I thought getting back with the princess would give some structure to the first episode and mean we could introduce the characters a bit at a time.
If it really bothers you guys I can have things happen differently. I was just thinking shes in a rush, puts widget and the sword in an escape pod and jumps in the other one. I didn't think of it in terms of optimal character/weapon space use ratio.
I actually planned to have it so when hero dude first finds a sword a robot chases him and he hits it over the head with the Ultra sword. And it goes clang and causes the robots head to move slightly before turning to face him...cause you can't cut through robots with a sword! But then Widget tells him to use the swords powers and it glows and lets him chop the robot into bits.
Its the super techno-magic powers that are hard to use, not swinging the thing around.
You've got to have a brave heroic spirit to use the thing.
Shadowtech is a magitech, but hes evil. Normally magitech are good natured and want to help people. They built stuff like the omnispheres and the Ultra sword to help the humans out. The ultra sword is the only weapon they made, which to the magitech was a bit controversial, but they we persuaded it would only be used to battle evil forces. I kinda wanted Shadowtech's origins to be mysterious, I think that makes him creepier. Like he's just a force of corruption. He has a fundamentally bad nature that comes through in everything he does, including his creepy robot prawn appearance. I sort of imagine that just making everything worse would be its own reward for him. If Dreadlord wasn't actively making everyone unhappy, Shadowtech would be trying to change things so he was. In a later episode they will find out why the magitech have all vanished since Dreadlord took over.
I wasn't really thinking in terms of who owned the Ultra Sword. hero dude and princess are friends who want to stop the bad guys. They aren't fighting over who carries the sword. Lancer shouldn't be the one to try to take the sword off them, since her thing is that shes reluctant to help adn has to be persuaded to do something. But it could be an episode plot where someone claims they should be the one to use the ultra sword, possibly as a trick from the bad guys to steal it. i do have plans for more bad guys that I need to flesh out.
Oh I should clarify, there isn't any explicit romance between the characters. You can read that into it (and lets face it, many will), but on the show Princess and hero dude are just good friends. If there is a romance its not going to be stated or implied.
I'm getting the sense you guys aren't going for this whole concept. It's really just me thinking out loud about what I'd do if I hypothetically could. It's not something that will actually happen in any real sense. Its more like a thought experiment of the kind cartoon show I'd make, were I allowed. If the idea of an unironic cartoon in the style of 1980's adventure shows doesn't float your boat that's understandable. A lot of shows back then were horseshit. The idea sort of is what it is. I was kinda going for "more 80's cartoon than the actual 80s cartoons", but not in the sense of being parody. More like trying to make something that really really captures that kind of story. I guess I would argue that we are in an age when everything seems to be nostalgic, perhaps we could have something nostalgic that is actually like the shows were back then...rather than something ironically commenting on the fact that shows were like that back then.
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