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Post by Canuovea on Sept 7, 2018 17:17:07 GMT
I've always liked Willow.
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Post by Horsie on Sept 7, 2018 17:19:44 GMT
I've never seen it.
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Post by Canuovea on Sept 7, 2018 17:39:59 GMT
Enjoy
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 7, 2018 19:11:56 GMT
Okay first right off the bat, Willow is great. Warrick Davis is a fucking legend and he elevates the whole movie with his performance.
But I am going to try and be critical... I dont think the evil queen is a very good villain. She isn't very imposing or scary. She looks like a weird nun. The first time we see her she seems to be freaking out and losing control of the situation.
Our first look at her should have been sat on her throne, punishing someone for letting the child escape or something.
Also when she turns everyone into pigs its like "you could do that the whole time?" She can wave her hands and turn an entire army into pigs immediately...why can't she fix her problems with magic normally? Like its suddenly revealed shes basically a god. She keeps sending her minions to do stuff but it seems like if she was really concerned she could just wave her hands and make stuff she wants happen.
Is "everyones a pig" the only spell she knows or something?
And the baby never does anything. Was the whole prophecy a load of crap?
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Post by Canuovea on Sept 7, 2018 20:25:38 GMT
One of those kid brings about the defeat of the evil queen, which is technically true because by trying to kill the kid gets the queen defeated. Not that the queen dies because of something the kid does. I kinda like the Greekness of it all.
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 7, 2018 21:00:18 GMT
Top villain tip- Dont have the bad guy ranting and angry all the time.
Being ranting, angry or yelling makes it seem like the person has lost control of the situation.
If the bad guy seems calmer they seem to be in control of the situation. The ycan get annoyed, but ranting and lashing out at minions makes them look amateur hour if they do it too soon.
People think a shouty, ranting villain is scary but if you start out with that its actually less intimidating.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Sept 7, 2018 22:51:26 GMT
Warwick Davis is a fine actor, but what he has in spade is charisma. That always makes an actor seem better than they are.
Val on the other hand is relying on charisma entirely. Though I do love that over exaggerated love turn he does under the influence of the potion.
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 7, 2018 22:53:25 GMT
Yeah Warwick could come out and read the labels on ketchup bottles and it would still be cool.
One thing I like is that the Queen has all this magic power, but shes beaten by a simple slight of hand trick. She's so used to dealing with all these awesome powers and spells that the smallest thing doesn't occur to her. I think that's cool.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Sept 11, 2018 23:52:47 GMT
She looks like a weird nun. Yeah, that was something that threw me when I first saw it as a youngster. I wasn't sure if that was on purpose or an accident. She didn't really seem like a nun but she looks like one. So I was like "is this some kind of religious commentary that I'm not getting?" but it turns out she just happens to look like a nun for no real reason and never changes her look throughout the movie.
The old lady fight is the greatest thing ever. I will never not enjoy that.
I like the part when Willow throws the acorn at her and you're like "Yeah! Take that, bitch!" but she's just too powerful. So Willow has to come up with the more mundane way of taking her out. It's clever, fun, and (holy shit, this can be done) set up earlier in the movie. This is Ron Howard in his prime.
I have no clue what happened to that man.
The brownies were a bit annoying, but never on the Jar-Jar level. I could tolerate them. I did like that the one was wearing the pelt of a mouse in the same way a great warrior might wear a wolf or a bear.
The special effects are not mind blowing, but for the time they were acceptable. I especially like the last attempt Willow makes to change Raziel back and she keeps shifting to different animals before he gets it right.
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Post by Canuovea on Sept 12, 2018 5:01:34 GMT
Apparently that was totally (mostly) legitimate period costume. Like people actually wore that shit.
So it's less that she looks like a nun and more that nuns wear some old fucking hats.
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 12, 2018 13:46:43 GMT
Yeha her catching the acorn was bad ass.
There needed to be more stuff like that earlier on, establishing that she is all powerful and nothing can beat her. Like at the start when the woman escapes wiht the baby, her general should have reported it to her and she, sat on a throne looking evil, turns him into a cockroach adn steps on him or something, and then puts the other general guy in charge for the rest of the film.
Her being all powerful but getting beaten by the simplest trick was the awesome pay off at the end and that should have had more setting up.
Yeah her costume looks like something someone would really wear, but its not impressive or evil enough. Maybe if she had an evil mask. Slap an evil mask on someone, everyone knows right away they are the bad guys.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Sept 12, 2018 23:49:52 GMT
Apparently that was totally (mostly) legitimate period costume. Like people actually wore that shit. So it's less that she looks like a nun and more that nuns wear some old fucking hats.
Sure, but that style of headdress was mostly associated with servant class women. Maids, nurses, bakers, midwives, etc. That's the whole reason that it became part of nun's lifestyle. It was the humble person's attire. I think it also may have meant that the wearer was virginal (ie, single and available) in certain circles.
It just comes off a bit weird on a queen/evil sorceress.
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 13, 2018 0:17:45 GMT
I like the general with the big skull helmet. He looks like an ogre when he takes it off! I think he's great as her big muscle minion.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Sept 13, 2018 0:42:14 GMT
I kinda wish they had developed that character more. That way it would have meant more in the end when Madmartigan defeats him.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Sept 13, 2018 1:35:08 GMT
The biggest issue the movie has is the romance between Sorsha and Madmartigan doesn't really fly for me. It's humorous and entertaining, but the idea that a woman raised by the most evil woman in the world just turns good cuz she wants some dick is pretty thin.
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