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Post by Horsie on Sept 28, 2017 2:10:49 GMT
I bet the Klingons will plant a bomb on a corpse, but it'll be treated as awful (which it really is) because the bad guys did it.
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Post by RED_NED on Sept 28, 2017 5:40:18 GMT
Having people exposed to space vacuum is a bit of a trope (used in Sunshine and Event Horizon off the top of my head). Usually its used to show how horrific it is and the impact on the fragile human body and works really well in a horror movie.
In STD, there are literally no consequences, its like she goes for a swim. Earlier the same character gets stranded in a radioactive asteroid field after damaging her space suit and instead of having her "DNA turned into noodles", she gets a few blisters on her skin, runs out of sick bay and fine in the next scene. I love my realistic sci-fi, but the tone needs to be consistent.
I wanted to be fair on STD (I really did!). I'm not actually bothered by the new look. Overuse of dutch angles and lens flare doesn't offend me in the slightest. The new uniforms, higher tech and better effects overall doesnt gel with the TOS thats meant to be 10 years, but thats not a problem if the show is good.
I quite liked the look of the Klingons in Into Darkness, especially the armoured space suits and the space suit the klingons use in this is cool. The problem I have with this new total redesign is they have changed the essence of what klingons are. (There are a bunch of different looking klingons you see as holograms on the klingons ship and they actually look a lot better than the ones we see).
These klingons are essentially a totally new race. They've gone from space vikings with a lighter/more relatable side especially shown in Deep Space Nine to a darker more alien egyptian inspired design,. It makes them a lot less relatable and more alien, but also makes them feel a lot more depressing and bleaker.
One thing original klingons had is that after the klingons soul goes to klingons heaven (they do the klingon death yell in STD too) . After death, they consider the klingon body as just a husk and they have no regard for it. This makes a lot of sense for a warlike race, as you would imagine retrieivng thousands of bodies after a space battle would be totally unfeasable.
So under older trek, klingons booby trapping bodies would not only work, but could be a plot point as the klingons would see nothing wrong with doing this.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Sept 30, 2017 1:11:05 GMT
I don't think there was a second Klingon ship, I think what they were seeing was a small part of the big ship where the cloaking device had a glitch, which is why they couldn't get a good scan of it. When they targeted that part the ship de-cloaked so you could get a feel for how huge it was. My first thought was she was really lucky she didn't slam into a cloaked part of the ship when she was doing the "fly by".
Really, everything that happened was Burnham's fault. Instead of doing a fly by she decided to land on the ship. Then she draws first blood in the conflict by killing the Klingon that challenged her. She could have just rocketed away from him. I mean, the whole thing about them damaging the relay to set a trap makes sense until you remember that the Klingons just sat there and did nothing while they were doing the repairs. They had ample opportunity to blow them to hell. When targeted all they did was de-cloak, even though targeting another ship could easily be taken as an act of war.
It was Burnham's idea to capture the guy in the first place and literally 90 seconds after saying they have to take him alive she switches to kill on her phaser and shoots him. Is this character supposed to be stupid?
And shouldn't a "kill" setting on a phaser vaporize someone not punch a hole in them?
I also love the part where they're standing on the transport pad and they point the phasers right at the guy doing the controls and say "energize". I'd be like "yeah, can you not point the fucking gun at me first?" Maybe she was anticipating he'd say "No".
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Post by Horsie on Sept 30, 2017 1:42:41 GMT
I guess this is another example of a show trying so hard to be edgy that it forgets to make sense.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Sept 30, 2017 17:49:34 GMT
The thing is I'm not really sure where they are going with the Burnham character. Are we supposed to relate to her? If so, why did they make her so alien? What's more the show preview afterward makes it perfectly clear that her "life in prison" sentence is bull, so thanks for the lack of drama. We don't feel for her, the justified sentence she got isn't going to happen, so what's going on here? There seems like there's an opportunity here to show the other side of the federation. What they do with those who don't comply. Maybe that's what they are going to do. There's a character in the preview ("You up there and us down here" guy) who makes it seem like that's the direction they might go. That might be interesting, but why do we have to start with this character here? I think they needed the character to do everything right but still have everything turn out wrong for her, instead of doing everything wrong and having everything come out as expected. We have to feel bad for her not feel she's getting her just deserts.
I mean, were we supposed to think everything she was doing was the correct thing? Do they really think the audience is that stupid?
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 30, 2017 22:01:49 GMT
As you all know, this is a forum for the fantasy, furry webcomic called Harkovast.
This particular section is for discussion of unrelated topics, in this case the new Star Trek Series, Star Trek- Discovery.
Doesn't that seem weird?
That I suddenly started explaining things that everyone present already knows?
This is the way they talk on STD CONSTANTLY.
Characters are explaining missions they are already on for no ones sake but the audience and reminding each other of their relationships, how they met, how long ago it was etc.
Its like a parody of writing.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 1, 2017 2:10:22 GMT
Really unfortunate acronym too.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 1, 2017 3:36:43 GMT
Really unfortunate acronym too. But so applicable. It's like finding a note on the bathroom mirror saying "Welcome to the world of AIDS". The most damning think I can say about STD is that it makes The Orville look good by comparison. |
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 1, 2017 6:45:24 GMT
Other things that annoyed me about this show:
Klingons attacked and destroyed human/vulcan settlement that what's-her-face grew up on. Later on the captain says "Nobody has had contact with the klingons in 100 years". What's-her-face is over 100 years old? I guess black don't crack.
Light from klingon "torch" causes the ships hull to vibrate in sympathetic harmony. Cuz sound waves travel through space now.
What's-her-face contacts Serek on sub-space hologram thingie. Serek asks "Is this about the new star in the sky?" Um, how did he see that? I thought light traveled as a set pace. Is Vulcan only 5 minutes away? Why the fuck didn't any of those assholes show up? Maybe the klingons developed warp speed lighting.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 1, 2017 14:57:46 GMT
HAHAHAHHAH I LOVE IT!
Sarek hamfisted told us the Klingon attack was a terrorist attack...I guess trying to sound topical?
I dont know why Sarek felt he neeeded to tell her about the terrorist attack, I think since it killed her parents she would know about it.
The whole show had no sense of time or scale.
At one point the main character said "I guess I'll have to get used to this sarcasm" like she just arrrived on the ship....but the captain kept repeating she had been there for 7 years. Had she only just noticed people were sarcastic on the ship? All the flash backs seemed to confuse the writers.
Another example was when she pushed the tall science alien off his console to do his job. This made her look like an asshole, but also made it seem like she was the new person barging in and doing his job for him. She has known him for 7 years...has she been pushing him off his console the whole time?
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 1, 2017 16:41:55 GMT
The science officer did do a bit of an eye roll when she did that. One of those "this shit again" looks. So I'm assuming she's a bitch to him all the time.
Funny thing is that tall alien was the only character in the show that could act. I really enjoyed any scene with him. The lady playing what's-her-face had no grasp at all on the character and had no capacity for nuance. The captain was god-awful. The actors playing the klingons were all desperately trying to just get the weird language they were speaking correct. They all sounded like a first year foreign language class. It was all clipped because they were saying words and not full sentences.
Another thing that pissed me off about the "torch". We are told the klingon houses are scattered throughout the universe. Bad guy turns on the light and they all show up at the same time. Not only that, they show up before the federation ships who are communicating using sub-space, which I've always assumed was much faster than light. The writers of this show seem to have no grasp on how enormous the universe is.
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Post by Horsie on Oct 2, 2017 1:55:43 GMT
It should be a dead giveaway when distances in space are measured by how far light travels in a year.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 3, 2017 0:32:44 GMT
Apparantly the klingons are meant to represent Trump supporters/white nationalists. No really. Here is a left leaning publication to explain it. Check it out.(On a personal note, getting a lecture on morality from Jason Isaac, a guy who pretty much wiped his arse on the British flag in The Patriot in exchange for american cash...rings a little hollow.) All that "remain klingon" stuff they chant is meant to be their version of "make america great again" and they all hate the federation diversity that they think will dilute their culture. This is why the main character is constantly saying that trying to deal with them peacefully is futile and they must just be combated. It's the writers showing how they view the world, where your opponents are just unreasoning assholes and peaceful cooexistance and trying ot reason or persuade them is doomed. Kind of worrying that this is how the writers characterise half of their own country. Its hillarious that they managed to fuck it up so mcuh that before I knew this...I came away thinking the Klingons were in the right and cheering them on over the asshole federation. (And fuck Jason Issacs.) |
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 3, 2017 0:41:31 GMT
AMusingly when I first wrote that I kept putting "clinton" when I meant "klingon"
I do not think any of the clintons are space orcs in too much makeup so they cant emote, though if you have any evidence of this please let me know.
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Post by Horsie on Oct 3, 2017 1:26:10 GMT
I'm just wondering how they'll resolve this in the end; are they going to find some good Klingons who can work with the Federation, and then kill the rest of them? I wouldn't be surprised.
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