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Post by Harkovast on Nov 7, 2017 13:57:28 GMT
Okay so I finally bit the bullet and watched episode 1 of The Orville. And honestly it was pretty good. Its not mind blowingly awesome, but its pretty good.
The trailer totally misrepresent it as some kind of whacky zany space comedy where everyone is a moron but its not rally like that at all. A lot of the stuff in the trailer is totally different in context. It's a light hearted fun kind of sci fi thing. It feels and looks very much like a show from the 90s, which I mean in a good way. It had a vibe you don't really get in tv shows any more and I found it refreshing. I'd say give it a look.
Yeah I guess we are living in the bizarro dimension, huh?
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Post by Horsie on Nov 7, 2017 14:07:09 GMT
You mean there's a show being made today that isn't dark and gritty and full of assholes?
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 7, 2017 14:21:55 GMT
Yeah its fucking strange. Everything looks bright and nicely lit. Seeing life on the ship doesn't make you want to slit your fucking wrists.
I found the Orville online, so give it a look if you can. Its really interesting that being edgy and dark has now become boring and bland, and doing something happy and optimistic is the subversive surprise now.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Nov 7, 2017 22:23:44 GMT
Like I said before my initial impression wasn't all that great, but put into context with STD it got a lot better. They take their subjects seriously and only toss in an occasional bit of humor to lighten things up.
I really wish they had put a little more effort into getting their universe to feel separate from Star Trek. There are so many "wink-wink" moments, even lifting entire plots from TOS in some cases, that it feels like a show that happened between DS9 and Voyager. The sets also scream Trek. Even the ships and technology is the same for the most part. The only thing they left out were the teleporters.
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 7, 2017 23:40:16 GMT
And they have stairs. Its funny because I walk up and down stairs everyday, but seeing stairs in the future seemed really weird! No turbo lifts, you just have to use your legs. What a novel idea!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 18:19:50 GMT
dcdr.me/2y3ZUgRCBS spent more than 100 MILLION dollars on the first season of STD.
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 10, 2017 22:13:37 GMT
Hahahah! Wow! Probably shouldn't have spent more of it on a decent make up department. The cowardly aliens "alien" lips sometimes flop around separate to him human ones when he talks. And the Klingons both look like shit, can't emote and seemingly cant turn their heaads properly.
Ive got a toilet at my house if they need somewhere to flush more money away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 6:26:18 GMT
I'm not watching it anymore, but apparently star trek is back on the air and the first thing it did was kill one of the series first ever openly* gay characters. This dark-grim series burns through characters so fast and so often I have to keep looking at the wiki to see who's still around. It's dark and brutal like war because lots of people die all the time, get it?
*Half points for Jadzia who was gay on a technicality.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 8, 2018 20:18:38 GMT
How can you be technically gay?
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Post by Harkovast on Jan 8, 2018 20:55:29 GMT
Shes an alien with a symbiotic creature in her belly that carries on memories from one person to another. So she has memories of being in love with this woman and lesbianism results, but you aren't allowed to go with people from your previous lives so its a whole metaphorical thing.
And its knowing stuff like this that kep me from getting laid when I was young.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 21:00:29 GMT
Well one of the previous Dax hosts before Jadzia was a man who married a woman (also hosting a symbiote). Jadzia met the ex-wife of her symbiote's previous host. They had a brief affair and considered re-marrying which is taboo in the alien symbiote society and would have seen both symbiotes expelled from the alien society, so they would have died in their current hosts -- two women.
Straightforwardly this was a gay relationship, but the intention of the writers was clearly a way to write in a gay kiss but being able to say it wasn't "really" gay because the origin of the relationship was heterosexual. Which ages poorly in retrospect on the part of the writers or the network. So I should clarify the technically is on the part of the authors hesitation to just have a gay kiss without extenuating circumstances to explain it.
Now it's not a stretch to read a trans metaphor in the whole Dax symobiote thing, and a trans woman in a relationship with a cis woman is as gay as two cis women or two trans women in a relationship is -- so yeah the whole "it's not REALLY gay but also it is" thing that episode had going on ages poorly.
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Post by RED_NED on Jan 9, 2018 15:42:33 GMT
Ezri Dax also kissed Kira in the alternate universe in Ds9.
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