|
Post by Canuovea on Oct 26, 2017 20:04:47 GMT
To be fair they decide not to keep using the innocent creature.
|
|
|
Post by Harkovast on Oct 26, 2017 20:16:51 GMT
What's funny is the main character is initially in favour of torturing the creature, and that's the right thing to do. Then she decides that torturing it is bad, so stopping becomes the right thing to do. Morality in this show is what ever insane, psychotic shit the main character is doign at any given moment.
Characters who wax lyrical about the main character being amazing (that I know of) Spock's Dad The Captain woman that gets kills (And eaten...Klingons eat dead bodies now...like the Ururk-Hai they are.) The scared alien guy (even though, after knownig him for 7 years she still bullies him and humiliates him in front of the captain)
I am guessing there are more, as it seems to be the main way the show tries to get us to like her.
|
|
|
Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 27, 2017 8:28:47 GMT
I'm not even sure if you're serious about all that. I'm half tempted to watch more of the show to find out if you are.
The Orville just keeps looking better and better.
One way to really fuck up a show like this is to tie the main character so tightly to a classic character like Spock. You'd think if he had a much smarter adopted sister that might have come up in conversation once or twice.
|
|
|
Post by Harkovast on Oct 27, 2017 15:15:55 GMT
When I bullshit you, I will be sure to take pride in my successful bullshitting.
I am 100% serious about all of this.
I guess being charitable I'm talking about it in very negative terms (they call it a fungus drive, rather than a mushroom one.) But Im not making anything up. This is shit that happens on this stupid show.
Yeah...I also want to watch the Orville now....
|
|
|
Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 27, 2017 18:18:38 GMT
Yesterday The Orville went to an Earth-like world where the whole society had a facebook style democracy where justice was based on popularity. You got up and down votes from the general populace and reaching 1 million down votes was a crime and getting 10 million down votes was grounds for getting lobotomized.
|
|
|
Post by TempestFennac on Oct 28, 2017 4:46:58 GMT
Unless all the relevant evidence was available to the people who voted from the start (and assuming people could change their minds if more evidence was uncovered), this sounds like a bad idea.
|
|
|
Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 28, 2017 6:00:45 GMT
Oh yeah. It was a very bad idea. At one point they started flooding the network with positive, not to mention very fake, info about a character. One of the characters asks "What if anybody tries to corroborate any of this?" and a character that lived on the planet says "Don't worry, nobody will."
|
|
|
Post by TempestFennac on Oct 28, 2017 6:33:31 GMT
The episode is at least portraying this set-up as an awful idea, right?
|
|
|
Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 28, 2017 10:18:47 GMT
Yep, they showed it as a really bad idea. Although somehow the society managed to thrive even though a complete democracy, where everyone has a say in everything, would be a chaotic system that would be nearly impossible to maintain. They somehow had cities and a working infrastructure, not to mention an electronic system where everything could be up or down voted.
Okay, got caught up on STD even though I didn't get inoculated. Apparently everyone in the show is written as idiots in order to make the main character look good. Her roommate is literally a bubblehead that for some reason they don't use any make up on the actress to cover the blemishes on her face. The head of security gets herself killed because she wanted a claw off the water bear that later turned out to be the navigation for the ship. The captain is a psychopath who sent his ex girlfriend on a "diplomatic mission" to the Klingons because he knew it was a trap and she'd get captured (and thus incapable of outing him as a head case). The captain also trusts a guy he met in a prison ship, a guy who admitted was in a sexual relationship with the Klingon captain of the ship for 7 months, for no reason other than he fights well. The head of the mushroom drive program (yes, that is a thing) started out as a rather driven and focused character, but after hooking himself up to the mushroom drive (so they wouldn't have to hurt the water bear anymore) he turned into a valley girl. The fact that the system seems to be frying his brain is of no concern to anyone.
Oh, and Harry Mudd is back and up to his old (er... future?) tricks.
The science behind the mushroom drive makes about as much sense as midi-chlorians. Their mushrooms seem to exist in all places in the universe simultaneously through their root structure, something which fungi tend to lack. Apparently microbiology and quantum physics are similar. In much the same way as a beluga whale and France are similar.
|
|
|
Post by Harkovast on Oct 28, 2017 12:46:52 GMT
The facebook thing sounds fun. I mean its kinda where we are now, with social media as a court of public opinion. We're doing it, those guys just make it legally codified.
Fuck...Orville really DOES sound better than STD (Star trek or the actual disease...though is there much difference? Discovery involved a fungal infection it seems.)
I gave you an up vote wordweaver, to help you avoid being lobotomised.
I just realised...Orville finds a planet that lobotomises people and its a bad thing. STD has an engine that's lobotomising someone...and no one cares.
Wow.
|
|
|
Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 28, 2017 17:13:00 GMT
Remember in Star Trek IV when Spock and Kirk didn't understand human parlance, specifically foul language? Characters in STD use words like "shit" and "fuck". I guess they forgot them in the next few years.
Some things I've noticed about these two shows:
The Orville captain is a white man with a troubled history and trust issues.
STD captain is a white man with a troubled history and trust issues.
The Orville has an episode where a character is in danger of getting lobotomized.
STD has an episode where a character is lobotomized.
The Orville has cast characters in a same sex relationship.
STD has cast characters in a same sex relationship.
The Orville has the captain captured from a shuttle.
STD has the captain captured from a shuttle.
The Orville main bad guys are called the Krill, lumpy skinned grey aliens with a warrior based society.
STD main bad guys are called Klingon, lumpy skinned grey aliens with a warrior based society.
The Orville warrior based aliens for some reason can't fight for shit.
STD warrior based aliens for some reason can't fight for shit.
The Orville warrior based aliens have a religious ceremony involving a severed human head.
STD warrior based aliens eat a severed human head.
|
|
|
Post by Harkovast on Oct 28, 2017 18:08:10 GMT
hahah damn it I'm going to end up watching Orville aren't I? Seth Macfarlane can be annoying, but he earned props from me as one of the few show biz types who dared call out Weinstein before all the shit came out. People can says he's offensive, and crass and his shows are sexist or racist or whatever else, but he's one of the few in that crowd who wasn't happy to turn a blind eye to real abuse when it benefited them.
|
|
|
Post by Harkovast on Oct 28, 2017 19:11:24 GMT
I really feel better knowing Discovery seems as bullshit to everyone else. I was watching it thinking "am I just nuts? Isn't this just awful?" It's good that everyone is basically having the same reaction.
|
|
|
Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 28, 2017 19:24:20 GMT
Over the years I've noticed that Macfarlane seems to have both liberal and conservative leanings in his political and social beliefs. He doesn't "toe the line" like a lot of other Hollywood types tend to do. He's brave enough to point out issues he thinks are wrong and have opinions that aren't always in step with his peers, which is an admirable trait.
That being said, I still consider him a bit of a hack.
That being said, he does have a keen understanding of Star Trek. He knows the mythos inside and out, understands the historical progression that was supposed to have taken place, how characters that are in this world are supposed to behave, and what the fans of the show expect to see. As a result Orville feels way more Star Trek than STD does.
|
|
|
Post by Harkovast on Oct 28, 2017 19:45:18 GMT
He is, undoubtedly kind of a hack.
But I respect someone who puts moral values ahead of a simplistic loyalty to the political group.
Though American Dad is AWFUL.
|
|