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Post by Harkovast on Jan 16, 2019 22:39:01 GMT
Have you guys heard about Lucas Film using a copy right claim to take over a fan made film on youtube (that was not monetised)? The guy got permission from them, but then after the fact they decided that some of the music was like Star Wars music (it was based on Star wars but was original compositions.) So they put in a claim and told him if he contested it they would get his channel taken down. Once they had control of it...they started running ads on it to make money. Its so far more profitable for them than Solo-A star wars story was for Disney (by which I means its actually making money.)
So yeah big evil corporation steals his work because its better than theirs and start making money off it. We're at the point where official star wars is so lame they resort to stealing fan creations. Stay classy, disney star wars.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 16, 2019 22:57:00 GMT
Well I can tell you it isn't better than theirs. Its okay, but not that great. Great for a fan film maybe, but certainly nowhere near actual movie quality.
There is an easy way out of it though. Take the video down and put it back up with different music.
Its still a bullshit thing to do, but it seems its that Warner company that is doing the bulk of the bullshittery (with Disney's backing of course). So yeah...
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Post by Harkovast on Jan 16, 2019 23:50:34 GMT
I dont know how good it is, because I haven't seen it and I don't want to give money to the people that stole it. But people that have seen it seemed to like it. Evidently Disney liked it a lot!
I'm not sure if they gave him the option to take it down, or if they just demanded he hand it over. But apparently they did threaten to destroy his channel (which is his livelihood) if he contested what they were doing, so I don't think he was given many options.
Why they would want to punish a fan film that wasn't making any money is a question that would have to be sent to the house of mouse. I know people throw around Disney "attacks the fans" all the time...but now they've actually done it for real! It was just meant to be hyperbole, Disney! Not a challenge!
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Post by StyxD on Jan 17, 2019 0:24:49 GMT
There is an easy way out of it though. Take the video down and put it back up with different music. Probably wouldn't work if what Hark's telling is accurate. I mean, the music is the only thing that's actually not derivative of SW intellectual property, right? If he contested, he'd probably win out but then they could take his whole channel down for making unlicensed SW content. They probably want ad money, and this is the quickest way to abuse YT systems to have it go to them.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 17, 2019 3:26:17 GMT
Yeah.
Probably. That is a good point.
I suggest turning on add blocker and watching it, it was never monetized to begin with so you'd not be stealing from the creator.
That all being said, if I were Disney I would feel a bit vindictive about it all too. Star Wars fans kinda suck sometimes, and those claiming this is so great are simply saying that because they dislike the most recent movies. The community seems to have decided to use this film as an excuse go just bash everything to do with the official Star Wars... so fuck em. I'd be in a near enough vindictive mood to copyright strike the fuckers.
At best this film has great special effects but not much else. The music is good I suppose, but it is highly based on Star Wars music in the first place so... Yeah. The actors are okay. But they don't make up for the main problem with the film: the fucking dialogue. It really isn't good. The actors try, bless their hearts, but they make me appreciate the delivery of "I hate sand" from episode two. Seems that they had actors who could actually work with trash dialogue when they made the prequels...
There are also some weird choices that, in combination with the dialogue, moves it towards the Uncanny Valley. I know these characters and these people are not those characters. They don't talk like them, they don't really move all that much like them, and in many cases they don't even look like them. The Last Jedi at least takes place 30 years after the last time we saw Luke.
So if you saw a cheap fucked up knockoff of Harkovast that claimed to actually be representative of the true Harkovast that you aren't capable of delivering because you're a hack and don't understand your own characters/story... wouldn't you be a little annoyed? I'd certainly be.
Now that doesn't excuse Disney, but I do sympathize with how some of them must feel. Perhaps I have offered an alternative to the idea that they did it simply out of greed too... It might be out of vindictive annoyance.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jan 17, 2019 3:37:17 GMT
Yeah, but that's like people saying they don't like McDonalds because Five Guys is better. Out of spite McDonalds buys out Five Guys just so they can stick razor blades in the burgers.
You can't punish your customers and expect to keep them.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 17, 2019 4:03:48 GMT
Oh yes, that is very true.
As I said, poor behaviour all around. But having to listen to that kind of idiocy gets to you eventually. Or it gets to me. I tend to see where the wind is blowing and then stand firmly in front of it.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 17, 2019 4:21:20 GMT
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jan 17, 2019 4:36:20 GMT
Huh.
Seems like an olive branch has been offered.
This is good news to me since it's a sign that the relationship between fans and Lucasfilm/Disney can improve.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 17, 2019 4:43:23 GMT
Certainly he plays up Lucas Film's role in this vs Disney.
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Post by StyxD on Jan 17, 2019 21:38:10 GMT
Now that doesn't excuse Disney, but I do sympathize with how some of them must feel. Perhaps I have offered an alternative to the idea that they did it simply out of greed too... It might be out of vindictive annoyance. That's not how any of it works. I'm sure that there are a lot of salty people at Disney that their magnum opus was not well liked, but those creative types are probably very far from the legal-adjacent departament whose task is to scour the Internet for copyright infringement. In fact, if I remember correctly many companies actually outsource this work - by work I mean trying to squeeze out money from fanworks on YouTube and such. Their goal is revenue security first and foremost. I doubt they have any strong feelings as far as their work is concerned. Unless some of them are fans themselves. Conversely, even if some guy from the creative team decided to go to that departament and say to them "hey, fuck over Star Wars fans for not appreciating my genius", I doubt they would be in the position of ordering so and I doubt they'd be listened to. In fact, the "YouTube departament" is oftentimes so much removed from the creative department that authors themselves don't know that fans are being accosted, and they often disapprove when they learn of it. Maybe even something like this happened here, taking that video into account.
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Post by Harkovast on Jan 17, 2019 22:15:49 GMT
StyxD makes a good point. Different parts of a company can bepretty unrelated. The guy writing scripts for the movies and the guy who monitors copyright things on youtube would have fuck all connection between them. Its easy to think of these companies as one big monolith but its not really like this. As much as I love to bash disney (and I do) its quite possible was just one over zealous employee being a jobs worth on their enforcement of copy right rules.
We can't really know the inner workings, fun as it is to speculate!
its good they relented, I wans't sure if they would. I was in tow minds if they would back down or just try to bury the story and press onwards.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 17, 2019 22:18:48 GMT
Yeah, though it is interesting how attached different parts of entities can sometimes become to the work of other parts.
That being said, I think that StyxD is right this time. Having Lucasfilm step in suggests that this was not one of those cases.
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Post by StyxD on May 10, 2019 22:03:13 GMT
Guys, I think I found the inspiration for TLJ's most iconic theme. (the game came out earlier the same year as the move, it still counts!)
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Post by Harkovast on May 11, 2019 0:14:43 GMT
This confirms Rian Johnson is a dirty weeb!
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