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Post by Canuovea on Jan 18, 2015 10:40:37 GMT
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Post by Horsie on Jan 18, 2015 14:01:45 GMT
It's back. Post stuff about fundamentalism here.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jan 19, 2015 17:04:56 GMT
That's a good list, but I would add one more.
11. All other women. There's really no point in buying the cow anymore.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 19, 2015 17:09:03 GMT
You do have to wonder how many women would be left on the marriageable list.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jan 19, 2015 17:10:24 GMT
It does eliminate a good deal of the field.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 20, 2015 6:27:09 GMT
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Post by TempestFennac on Jan 20, 2015 19:09:01 GMT
While I find this sort of thing interesting, the fact that scientists have already looked into them and come to the conclusion that none of the ships would work makes me wonder why people would class it as relevant for a conference like this.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jan 21, 2015 22:39:26 GMT
All that ancient alien crap on the History Channel is getting out of hand.
Now I'm perfectly willing to allow that maybe some ancient culture actually did make some type of rudimentary flying machine that actually worked and the technology was lost. The quest for flight is as old as human culture and eventually someone has to get it right.
But flying crafts that look like a city with wings that can go to different planets? Yeah... no.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 21, 2015 22:44:41 GMT
Castle in the Sky by Miazaki deals with this, just thinking about it.
The History Channel was better when it was basically The Hitler Channel. Now if you know anything about history or... even science... then you know most of it is just bullshit.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 21, 2015 22:45:01 GMT
I can't believe that some people actually buy into that shit; if these guys were to be believed, mankind has never accomplished anything without aliens either showing us how or just plain doing it for us.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jan 21, 2015 23:24:20 GMT
There's actually inherent racism behind the ancient alien theory.
"Brown people could not possibly have made these fantastic structures, and there weren't any white people here to supervise them, ergo, aliens made it."
It really shows a huge lack of respect for these cultures and their brilliance. Just because "It would be impossible and/or difficult for us to do this today with our technology" only underscores our own lack of imagination and intellect.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 21, 2015 23:28:59 GMT
I agree, if not racism, then it is presentism.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 21, 2015 23:42:29 GMT
It's an easy way out. Of course, there are plenty of these idiots who reinterpret things that are already explained and come to their own conclusions, or claim that something is unexplained when it's a proven hoax
Take the crystal skulls that some people claim were either made by aliens or Mayans (with aliens helping them); the first ones were found at a time when people in Europe and North America were keen to collect Central American antiquities, usually "found" by bullshit artists or bullshit artist antiquity dealers, and the general consensus is that the oldest ones were made in Germany in the late 19th Century using material that wasn't available to the Mayans.
But these idiots still say they're the real deal.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Jan 21, 2015 23:43:47 GMT
"Presentism." I like that word.
In truth, it is very difficult for humans to remain impartial. Indeed it is impossible to make judgements without using the biases you've acquired over your lifetime. It's just that the Ancient Alien theory is taking that to the crazy extreme.
Of course, I'm using my own bias to make that judgement.
But it does harken to the theory that the Romans first discovered North America. Settlers and explorers found structures that the loincloth wearing natives could not possibly have created, therefore the Romans must have come here and built them.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 21, 2015 23:47:41 GMT
There are technically two types of fallacies related to this. Appeal to Antiquity (it was better in the past) or Appeal to Novelty (better because it is new). Both happen all the time.
Now, something in the past or present can be better... but you need to justify it beyond that. In this case the underlying assumptions are rather clearly terrible and they are working from those... not exactly the most stable of arguments that.
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