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Post by Canuovea on Jun 20, 2015 23:52:24 GMT
A considerable French Culture. Then again, when you think about it, Early Canada would definitely have loved to do away with French culture if they could.
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Post by Tech on Jun 21, 2015 0:11:29 GMT
yeah, kept them separate and everything at first. I read a study though that showed less discrimination in Canada with English towards the French minority's of their Provence compared to the French treatment of the 400,000 or so English people within Quebec (english first language mind you)
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 21, 2015 0:20:10 GMT
At the moment, in this day and age, I can believe that that study is accurate.
But back in the day, oh they wanted to mess the French up good. Huge tension, and with good reason. I guess we're still seeing a remnant of that.
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Post by Tech on Jun 21, 2015 0:23:35 GMT
oh yeah it was bad, they force Quebec history for two years in the english schools and I learned a lot about the things that happened between the English and French
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 21, 2015 0:33:57 GMT
So you can see why they're so defensive about it, but that doesn't really abdicate their responsibility for being horrid to non-Francophones now.
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Post by Tech on Jun 21, 2015 0:44:24 GMT
indeed, just kinda wish I didn't have to deal with the bullshit, I've had good days and bad, met nice french people and not so nice
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 21, 2015 0:58:37 GMT
Yeah. It makes me feel pretty good about where I live. I mean, I've got to put up with at most civic and provincial government stupidity alongside usually empty and poorly thought out activism. Some creepy Conservative stuff in the Province as a whole, obviously, but the city is pretty liberal.
I'm glad that you've met plenty of nice Francophones and that it isn't all doom and gloom from your perspective though. I mean, maybe it is just that you're going to find assholes everywhere, they just take different forms?
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Post by Tech on Jun 21, 2015 1:05:23 GMT
well I got friends and family that make living here not rough all the time, plus it's not the people that are asshole more the government is the asshole and the actions of the people are a bi-product of media and government actions in trying to build a rift between the English and French
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 21, 2015 1:09:50 GMT
Yeah, a lot of the time it is the government's fault.
Generally, I like to think that people are mostly good at heart.
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Post by Tech on Jun 21, 2015 1:13:22 GMT
yeah, people are capable of anything both good and bad
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 21, 2015 1:18:00 GMT
And most of the time, those who do bad things don't actually believe they're doing something bad.
Even the government that goes "persecute people who don't speak our language" see themselves as good.
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Post by Tech on Jun 21, 2015 1:26:39 GMT
true, kind of a "it's only bad if they do it to us" way of thinking though and they see it as good because they are "strengthening the French culture of quebec"
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 21, 2015 1:34:24 GMT
There is nothing like the moral high ground to make good people do bad things.
They see themselves as the defenders of their culture, so of course they'll do anything they see as necessary. Precisely as you say.
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Post by Tech on Jun 21, 2015 1:42:37 GMT
guess this topic became mainly just Canadians talking about Canadian problems, thought maybe someone not living here would have an opinion on this, give an outsider perspective
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 21, 2015 1:50:34 GMT
Maybe they're afraid it is all about hating Quebec?
But it isn't!
And there are some interesting Canadian problems... Like Christie Clark telling people who were born in Vancouver that they're too poor and should just move to Prince George or Kitamat to let the rich foreign people keep artificially inflating housing prices in Vancouver while not really actually living there.
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