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Post by Canuovea on Nov 2, 2016 20:30:55 GMT
There have been some pieces of evidence that have allegedly come up, but it isn't enough to really be sure. I do think that his stated foreign policy is very Russian friendly though, and if you're concerned about the Russians that really should be enough to worry you.
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Post by StyxD on Nov 2, 2016 21:05:20 GMT
Useful idiots are better than workers anyway. You don't have to pay them.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Nov 2, 2016 23:05:48 GMT
The "Trump works for Russia" thing came directly from Harry Reid. A man who apparently studied under Joe McCarthy. Reid is the one who said Mitt Romney never paid his taxes. Later he admitted he had zero evidence to back up the claim (which was completely false), but that was okay cuz "Mitt lost, didn't he?"
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 3, 2016 3:38:46 GMT
Alright, I have a feeling I'm going to regret posting this.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Nov 3, 2016 9:01:12 GMT
I can find crazies too.
The Earth is flat and Hillary is the most honest politician ever.
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 5, 2016 4:25:11 GMT
Oh please, you can't even respond to his points.
I don't doubt that Hillary Clinton lies less than any other politician openly. Politifact is pretty good. She says fewer lies. That doesn't mean she isn't "cheating."
If you've ever played the card game "cheat" you often find yourself lying and if you get called on it you have to pick up more cards. Of course, you have to lie if you don't have the cards in your hand that you need to play for that turn. However, when I played cheat, I would cheat in a different way. I would make people think that the card needed that turn was different than it actually was. I'd jumble up the order so that I actually never had to lie, and so I could win like that.
I suspect that Hillary does something similar. She never has to lie, but that doesn't mean she is telling the whole truth.
But the other point he makes is better. Presidents tend to attempt to keep most of their promises. Generally speaking. Therefore, if you like what Hillary has promised then voting for her actually makes sense. It is simple enough.
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 6, 2016 20:52:45 GMT
Also, the FBI just announced that they are finished their renewed investigation into Clinton and it changed nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 21:22:04 GMT
After some uncertainty these past few days I am back on Clinton winning. As much attention in the press that there was about about the Weiner emails, I think that it came so late into the race that it wouldn't matter. Most voters already made up their minds, at this point.
Latino turnout is supposed to be way up for early voting now, too.
Honestly as bad as this race frequently was, I think 2020 is going to be much worse. There are some longer-term issues brewing with the Democrats current coalition-hard to have both former Bush admins on your side AND Bernie Sanders types and to keep both happy for even four years. And I honestly don't know what the GOP coalition will look like in four years, running like Nikki Haley maybe? Hard to predict that kind of thing though, freaking Chris Christie was the popular choice for GOP nominee just a few years ago. But both parties are going to have to face some hard questions about what kind of party they want to be, and I think both will absolutely put it off until the last minute by the time 2020 rolls around.
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 6, 2016 21:32:08 GMT
Oh yeah, Hillary winning seems fairly likely still.
Both parties are... in a pickle. The GOP chose Trump as a candidate. Trump. And I don't think anyone there liked it. That isn't to say there were no signs of life from the Republicans though. Kasich, for instance, refused to jump on the bandwagon when it came to everyone trying to parrot Trump's talking points in the hope it would make them look better. And if Trump is rebuked in this election, it might send a strong enough message to the party that the direction they were going with him was horridly misguided. It would be nice to see some more reasonable Republicans start showing up.
The Democrats are definitely in a tough spot though. Clinton is highly unlikely to win a second term, unless she does something absolutely marvelous and turns the USA into a beacon of progress and light in the world. City upon a hill and all that Winthropian crap. But it isn't going to happen. Even if she would do that (and she probably doesn't care to), Congress would not allow it. The only reason she likely wins this time around is because she is against an opponent so horrible that you could run a deboned salmon against him and still stand a chance of winning. And the primaries suggest a potential schism in the Democratic Party. The Republicans have essentially already had a schism, the Democrats are waiting on one.
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 7, 2016 21:33:04 GMT
Hmm, a bit of a surprise to hear about this.
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 7, 2016 22:38:38 GMT
Gods I have to stop, fucking help me...
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Post by StyxD on Nov 7, 2016 23:05:54 GMT
So this is going to be today, huh? Well I don't like this. Don't want to theorize what will happen to eastern Europe if Trump wins.
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 7, 2016 23:17:35 GMT
Well, technically tomorrow? Maybe? I'm just kinda worked up by it.
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Post by StyxD on Nov 7, 2016 23:32:31 GMT
Time Zones. It's eight of November now where I live. Though I guess it's irrelevant since USA is voting... You're right, tomorrow!
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Post by Canuovea on Nov 7, 2016 23:39:08 GMT
I figured that time zones would fuck things up, like they always do.
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