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Post by Canuovea on Oct 6, 2018 4:39:54 GMT
...Voltron. The new Voltron. You've got the Princess in stasis after her family was overthrown who gets woken up. She's nice and kind but hard as nails when she has to be.
She also has a weapon she can't actually use and needs to get a coterie of other schmucks to pilot it for her. She has an engineer companion who, while of the same species as her, acts as comic relief while also being reasonably effective at his job. She spends a lot of time hiding behind energy shields and providing support.
The bad guys are mostly made up of a bunch of robots who you don't feel bad about the good guys destroying mercilessly (Not sure why Starshine would care so much about being defensive when fighting robots). There are also other baddies who are flesh and blood and prove a greater challenge. The big bad is, well, actually terrifying in that when he does fight the good guys in season one he kicks their collective butts and they spend most of the time running from him in season 2 (stopped before the end so a certain someone can catch up first). The baddies are cat aliens though.
The humans involved all have varied personalities. One is, politely, hefty and comes across as kind of dumb and cowardly at first. One is a braggart. One is the secretive angry cool guy who clashes with the braggart. One is an tech wizard basically. And you have the calm and calculating leader. They all have their own motivations as well.
That being said, there are a lot of differences too. I don't mean to say it is the same, just that there are a lot of similarities... And there would be given the whole 80s revival thing behind it all. There is a certain feeling to it.
As for the differences the Magitech are different and have a really cool design. No similarity to be found in Voltron. Lancer is also different. No direct parallel to be found. The Rock guy is similar, even if a bit like the dumb guy not really.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 6, 2018 4:59:54 GMT
Soooo...
You're saying Ultra Sword needs a giant robot.
I find it funny that the bad guys are cat people that they are fighting with robot cats. I wonder if the bad guys have a giant robot made up of robot apes.
Stasis is actually a pretty common trope in 80s shows. It played a major part in the Thundercats pilot and actually affected the entire series. Princesses are also really common. Some kind of super sword was in almost every show.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 6, 2018 12:33:05 GMT
Alright so I have a new idea... Hero dude could meet princess and widget together, but then she doesn't realise whats happened so she wants to send a signal to summon help. So they sneak into a communications tower and send signal but then she realises all the old regimes forces are gone, and that she has been gone for ages nad dreadlord has taken over etc.
The signal tells the bad guys they are there so they show up and try to capture them but our heroes escape and then at the end of the episode the bad guys report to dreadlord and we get to see him fro the first time.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 6, 2018 12:34:54 GMT
Canuovea okay are you seriously acting like making the bad guys all robots so we can smash them is an original idea to Voltron? Mutant turtles did that in the 80s! That's how you murder people in cartoons!
Princess being over thrown....special magic weapon that gets given to the hero...these are standard tropes. They occur in EVERYTHING.
I already explained that the characters in Ultra Sword are supposed to be archetypes in the 5 man band structure. You can see this structure EVERYWHERE. I would be amazed if you can't think of examples of shows and movies that fit this format.
Obviously you are going to find shows that fit these same story beats and characters. Voltron didn't make that shit up.
Voltron may have originally come up with giant robots forming together to make a bigger robot...though I'm not 100% of that. That might be something Japenese people have been imagining since time began.
The problem you are suggesting, "This is just voltron", seems inaccurate to me, but is also too fundamental for me to respond to. What's the solution? Scrap the entire concept and start over? It's not helpful critique. Its like when people tell me to redraw harkovast using computer colouring. "Do it all again differently." Even if I agreed with the criticise, the only positive response I could have would be to just quit.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 6, 2018 12:52:45 GMT
AHA! I will make all my character the same! They are identical clones! Take that Voltron!
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 6, 2018 15:43:43 GMT
AHA! I will make all my character the same! They are identical clones!
Nah, they already did that in King Arthur and the Knights of Justice.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 6, 2018 16:28:03 GMT
Haha nice. 100 Harko points for a sick burn!
I started trying to think of the characters and I realised I was just listing hair styles.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 6, 2018 17:22:27 GMT
Dreadlord's top commander, who will be called Grand Sky Martial *whatever his name is*. He has an off the shoulder cape on his fancy uniform with loads of medal ribbons. He is often getting his head and moustache waxed and polished, having his portrait painted, pondering getting an even more impressive title and generally being an arrogant tool. He got Lancer thrown out of the royal guards and then betrayed the good guys to Dreadlords armies by turning off their defences. He isn't supposed to be incompetent, though he is more humorous than Dreadlord or Shadowtech. The good guys can outwit him because of his hubris. However, he is pretty crafty and always makes sure someone else takes the fall for his failures. He prospers under Dreadlords regime through this kind of scheming, rather than talent. Like with the bad guy minions, I don't want him to become a complete none threat, though he's not the top level bad guy. He is still tough in personal combat and can call on vast numbers of robots and ships to blast any opposition into rubble.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 6, 2018 17:56:39 GMT
I think he needs a tri corner hat and knee high jack boots.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 6, 2018 18:26:25 GMT
I made the boots taller but it looked funny. I can try and draw it again. But I can definitely give him a hat. Here is another villain. She is an sinister agent of Dreadlord. She has a cyborg mask thing with a pipe going to her back and a cyborg hand. I want her to be a rival to the Sky Martial, where she is more subtle and cunning and he wants to use brute force. She can disguise herself as people and sneak around. It might be cool if she is implied to be more loyal to Shadowtech than Dreadlord, like she confers with Shadowtech directly sometimes for instruction. She doesn't have a name yet. Note that all the bad guys get he symbol of dreadlords mask on them, as the bad guy emblem. I think that's kinda cool to unify them.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 6, 2018 18:28:58 GMT
The good guys need a way to avoid the bad guys that also acts as their base of operations and living quarters. Some type of ship or vehicle. A steampunkish zeppelin or other sky craft might work. Or maybe they discover an old subterranean rail system that's connected to the beams and everything that's no longer used either because it can't be powered anymore or it was simply forgotten and left derelict. They discover the sword could be used to power it. Maybe the train has a quirky AI as a conductor.
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 6, 2018 18:51:02 GMT
I was planning for Lancer to have a cool spaceship. Its broken down nad has no power, but they charge it up with the ultra sword and Widget fixes it with his magitech skills.
I want a space ship with sails on. Those are always cool. They had one in jace and the wheeled warriors...though I dont wnat it to look like a boat.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 6, 2018 18:58:45 GMT
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Post by Harkovast on Oct 6, 2018 19:40:48 GMT
yeah that kinda thing. Is that the deep space nine one?
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Post by wordweaver3 on Oct 6, 2018 19:52:32 GMT
Yeah, the Bajoran light ship thing that Sisko just happened to whip up with his bare hands between episodes.
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