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Post by Canuovea on Mar 13, 2015 21:19:37 GMT
Wait. Did I link to Thunderfoot failing?
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Post by StyxD on Mar 13, 2015 21:47:26 GMT
How does the video by Steve Shives not have a million dislikes yet? Must be a slow start. Youtube Comment Brigade has, however, not disappointed. "But being anti-feminist doesn't mean being anti-woman! Feminist are whiny and bad. And they ruin video games!"
Also, thanks Canuovea for introducing be to WHTM. Never before have I seen something so hilarious and dreadful at the same time.
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 13, 2015 21:49:37 GMT
Hark linked to the site before, which is how I found it, but I have been posting a lot of stuff from there. It is a wonderful website.
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Post by Harkovast on Mar 13, 2015 21:51:34 GMT
What is this storify site? Is it like collecting twitter posts into a narrative? Thunderf00t is a thunderfuckwit. He's even more of an MRA freak than a realised. Here he goes full on rape apologist.
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 13, 2015 21:52:26 GMT
Oh yeah, that site and link...
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Post by Harkovast on Mar 13, 2015 22:10:06 GMT
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 13, 2015 22:11:07 GMT
...Twitter is not a good debate forum. Thunderfoot seemed at one point like he was being slightly misunderstood. That is, he was asking if one could be raped if they mentally withdrew consent but did not communicate it.
I could see that being a defence "But she didn't tell me/non-verbally communicate with me that she wanted me to stop!" But that is where the obligation of paying attention to what the other person is doing/communicating with you to a reasonable extent comes in. At least in Canadian law. Fun fact, the Supreme Court over here had to clarify that there was no such thing as "implied consent" when it came to sexual assault.
Of course, Thunderfoot's main problem comes at the end. It reveals what a shit he is. "If she says no, but her non-verbal communication says yes, then do I stop?" He asked this like he was serious. And he seemed to think that non-verbal yes means yes even if verbal response is no. Uh... what? Is it... is it so hard to imagine that if you have ANY reason to suspect that a partner doesn't want to continue that you stop and/or check for clarification?
Fucking Thunderfoot.
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Post by Harkovast on Mar 13, 2015 22:23:17 GMT
He isn't trying to learn about the issue or trying to debate, he's working to muddy the water and confuse the issue so he can push the MRA bullshit he subscribes too. I didn't know until now that he is actively communicating with people from that cess pit but it doesn't shock me.
Twitter is a bad format for debate, that's true...but I've watched this guy lose in a live debate to RAY FUCKING COMFORT. There is no good debate format for an idiot like this Thunderfool.
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 13, 2015 22:27:18 GMT
Ray Comfort. Yeah, I heard about that "debate" and its result.
You know how hard it is avoiding Amazing Atheist and Thunderfoot videos when you watch what I do on Youtube?
Of course you do.
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Post by Harkovast on Mar 13, 2015 22:33:52 GMT
Oh yeah, I know that pain.
Youtube keeps telling me I would like their videos...I feel like youtube is calling me an arsehole!
I keep getting that goon Russell Brand as well! He's not sexist...he's just intensely irritating!
I must say, I'm kind of impressed with Thunderf00t in a perverse way. I didn't think my opinion of him could get worse, but tonight he has managed to up the ante and go the extra mile to reach new depths of stupid/evil.
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 13, 2015 22:35:51 GMT
Ugh. Russel Brand. Yes, I don't care for him either.
But he isn't a terrible person, at least to the best of my knowledge. Thunderfoot is, however, pretty terrible sounding. And that isn't ad hominem because I'm not using it to argue anything, and it is also the conclusion I am drawing.
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Post by Harkovast on Mar 13, 2015 22:41:16 GMT
Some of those posts there seem to imply Thunderf00t is really bad in bed. He believes bad sex with him is equivalent to being raped AND he always withdraws his consent part way through having sex but doesn't say anything.
Either that or he is a lying fuck wit who will say anything to try to win and argument and in his smug superiority makes himself look ridiculous.
This is a guy whose greatest youtube victory was out arguing VenomfangX. VenomfangX had two key features that helped TF secure his clear win.
1- Venomfangx appeared to be mentally disturbed. 2- He was a fucking kid.
Thunderf00t is only good at one thing, and its called bullying. When he has to treat people as equals you soon see how worthless he is, both at debate and as a human being.
Calling him a terrible person is certainly not ad hominem. But if you want to make ad hominem attacks against him, I wont complain. He is, after all, a shit eating butt monkey.
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 13, 2015 23:06:50 GMT
Heh.
I think that Thunderfoot was attempting to make a hypothetical point. He was attempting to get to the idea of women being able to "falsely" call rape "legitimately" just by saying that they withdrew consent even if they gave no sign of it, thus making the man (who would have stopped if given a sign of some kind) a rapist.
It is one of these MRA fears of being accused of rape because women can't be trusted. Maybe you shouldn't be having sex with people who you don't trust?
But it is true that false accusations of rape have happened. That is true, and it is bad. But jumping to things like "therefore we need implied consent!" Doesn't follow.
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Post by Harkovast on Mar 14, 2015 0:49:29 GMT
False accusations of rape obviously exist, but the number of them are very small and the idea that its some kind of epidemic that men live in fear of is not supported by any evidence. Statistics show that false rapes are no more common than false reports of other crimes.
It's an intellectual red herring, where they act as if a very rare, obscure problem (false rape reporting) is more significant than a really wide spread problem (rape.)
Its the same bullshit tactic white racists use, claiming blacks doing "reverse racism" are the real problem, and trying to turn themselves into the victims and the oppressed into the oppressors. Black people being racist to whites does happen, and its terrible when it does...but to act like that's an equivalent or more wide spread problem to what minorities endure is simply not intellectually credible. MRA's are terrible people, but they are not original in their tactics.
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Post by Canuovea on Mar 14, 2015 3:59:34 GMT
I dunno. It was a plot point in To Kill A Mockingbird.
Harper Lee has a sequel to that coming out, by the way.
Anyway, yeah, it is mostly pretty dumb. But I think the MRA types are mostly just terrified of losing their privilege.
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