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Post by StyxD on Feb 8, 2015 0:31:58 GMT
I don't quite get the question. But if you're asking me why have I not been playing a Tsung-Dao from the start, to this I say: In Harkovast, the race kind of defines you class, and I wanted to play someone with active magic (I always play a mage), and I chose Junlock because they're my favourite race and I... uh... I wanted a Junlock because I knew Canuovea will be playing an Ivos. I had some scenes and dialogues in mind for them.
And I agree that Harkovast works much better with animals, who make for very distinctive races (and being distinctive is very important for the whole concept), but I don't think it's what "makes" the world in this case.
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Post by Canuovea on Feb 8, 2015 0:33:01 GMT
Oh okay, I see what you mean. I agree. Harkovast is a bit more than just talking animals. The talking animal people are neat though.
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Post by Horsie on Feb 8, 2015 0:37:24 GMT
I know, that question really did come out of nowhere; I was asking why your "member title" on the previous forum was "Undead Wolf".
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Post by StyxD on Feb 8, 2015 0:49:08 GMT
This is as weird question to ask in this topic, but what the hell. It is because Shanis died but I was still sticking around the forums. But I was kind of angry back then. And I never cared to change it when I calmed down, it was funny to me.
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Post by Horsie on Feb 8, 2015 0:50:13 GMT
Okay. I always wondered about that, but never found the right time to ask.
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Post by Canuovea on Feb 8, 2015 0:54:57 GMT
I figured that was it.
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Post by Harkovast on Feb 8, 2015 1:02:46 GMT
I should poin I was just using orc as a generic example of some kind of monster. You can make it Gnoll, Kuo-Tao, Kobold, hill giant or a fuck load of other dumb but evil mooks.
But if you want to make a setting where the Orcs are dumb and evil, fair enough.
I will settle for having one of them wait outside till the fights over.
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Post by tiberia on Feb 8, 2015 5:43:27 GMT
Street samurai is not literal. Its slang for the main fighters in shadow run. Gun bunnies are street sams that focus on agility and maneuvering
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Post by TempestFennac on Feb 8, 2015 6:31:25 GMT
My argument is more with the fact that being evil shouldn't mean that people should be depicted as 1-dimensional villians who are on the same level as video game mooks and that it's much easier (and more interesting) if they are depicted as being like real people rather than just being like "the Monster Manual says all of Race X is Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic Evil, therefore I must have them constantly turning on each other" (my stance is that bad fluff is easier to sort out rather that rewriting mechanics so they aren't easily broken by what I'd consider to be lazy DMing). Even if you are going with listed alignment, that still doesn't seem to be a valid reason why people can't be friends with each other, or at least have some sort of loyalty even if it's just based off the desire for mutual survival. I suppose the "wait outside" thing would work if the Charmed character had no interest in the wellbeing of their allies, but if they did it just wouldn't work (going back to earlier examples, getting information out of Charmed people would be potentially limited too due to the fact that it's unlikely most sane commanders would give all the info about what's going on to low-ranking soldiers, so you'd really need try finding people who seem important before charming them). So basically I see it as being like illusion spells in the sense that it's only as broken as the DM allows it to be (as you pointed out, if a DM wants certain races to be cartoonishly evil and stupid, that's up to them, but complaining because a basic spell can easily remove them from fights or get them to give away important info with minimal effort while continuing to RP them like that is rather odd). I'll need to check the rules again but I think one Ancient Greece-based system called Mazes and Minotaurs does have a mind control spell which is pretty much broken. Shall we move this discussion over to the general tabletop RPG thread being as it's about D&D mechanics/morality/fluff rather than SR?
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Post by StyxD on Feb 8, 2015 16:31:19 GMT
Street samurai is not literal. Its slang for the main fighters in shadow run. Gun bunnies are street sams that focus on agility and maneuvering I see. It just seems... random to name them that. Why not street legionary or street hoplite? I guess you can't have a 90's cyberpunk without mentioning Japan. I don't even want to touch technomages being "descendants of the otaku"... Speaking of Japan, I wonder if the Ainu got magical powers and conquered Hokkaido...
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Post by Canuovea on Feb 8, 2015 19:36:53 GMT
I guess Legionnaires and Hoplites aren't loners enough.
And knights? Too cliche, European, and white (obviously)!
Technically, they should be Street Ronin. That actually makes a lot of sense.
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Post by tiberia on Feb 8, 2015 23:45:29 GMT
Street samurai is not literal. Its slang for the main fighters in shadow run. Gun bunnies are street sams that focus on agility and maneuvering I see. It just seems... random to name them that. Why not street legionary or street hoplite? I guess you can't have a 90's cyberpunk without mentioning Japan. I don't even want to touch technomages being "descendants of the otaku"... Speaking of Japan, I wonder if the Ainu got magical powers and conquered Hokkaido... William Gibson's Neuromancer
It's not a random name. ALL cyberpunk leads back to that novel and that author. Terms like Street Samurai are from that, along with a multitude of other slang.
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Post by Canuovea on Feb 8, 2015 23:47:06 GMT
Still should have been Street Ronin. Sure, you lose the alliteration but meh.
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Post by Harkovast on Feb 9, 2015 1:53:53 GMT
Tempest see now what you are doing is putting so many limits on charmed that renders it pointless to caste. My new magical "best friend" won't tell me secrets or trust me, wont try to protect me from harm, wont take my advice on what they should do, wont believe that I don't have a sinister motive when I ask simple tasks of them and is suspicious of everything I ask them. Yeah, if the GM wants to he can make an argument why the charmed person literally won't do anything for me.
Well done, you've just proved that the only way to make charm fair is to put so many limits on it it no longer works. Same for illusions, they break the game unless the GM just constantly goes "No you can't do that because I'm contriving events to mean you can't."
That pretty much proves my argument. Broken as written, to fix it you have to render it useless. Mind control is broken.
(Seriously, if its such a weak spell that I can't even ask them to leave the room for five minutes then it literally doesn't do ANYTHING. Its a spell that's no more effective than just asking nicely!)
And yes...this probably should be in another thread.
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Post by frostwolf on Feb 13, 2015 5:12:59 GMT
You people make me want to make character that grab faces and bash them against walls. Then do this.I can probably do this right? What am I saying, course I can. I've been in a face grabbing mood lately. I read the first page and skipped everything else (sorry). I got accidental racist story telling and telekinetic wall punching. I also have the urge to throw a tomahawk at a blackhawk helicopter...causing it to explode. I do wanna try shadowrun. What are the classes again?
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