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Post by Canuovea on Feb 13, 2015 6:05:30 GMT
Ah. Hellsing Ultimate OVA. I watched that relatively recently.
It got fucking weird. Fucking quick. And the torture porn... oh god... the torture porn. Why?
Though it has some interesting implications on a few levels. Not the least is the basic idea of "Alucard" as Hobbes' Leviathan actually personified.
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Post by frostwolf on Feb 13, 2015 14:17:29 GMT
Ah. Hellsing Ultimate OVA. I watched that relatively recently. It got fucking weird. Fucking quick. And the torture porn... oh god... the torture porn. Why? Though it has some interesting implications on a few levels. Not the least is the basic idea of "Alucard" as Hobbes' Leviathan actually personified. You mean with Rip Van Winkle? Yeah I didn't get why that was like that. Honestly I gave no real fucks about it. Alucard's abilities were pretty interesting to me, sadly I wish they were explained better. But that only increases the mystery. And before anyone brings it up. Yes, everyone who read it pretty much figured out who Alucard was by the first time we saw the name. It was more for symbolism than anything else (except the crosses. Author said he put them in cause they looked cool)
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Post by Canuovea on Feb 13, 2015 15:08:30 GMT
I'll try to explain some of Alucard's abilities as I see them later...
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Post by wordweaver3 on Feb 14, 2015 10:29:55 GMT
"Alucard" has been used so many times it's not even worth pointing out anymore.
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Post by Horsie on Feb 14, 2015 11:01:47 GMT
Even the biggest bad in Org's Odyssey was named Alucard, despite not being a vampire.
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Post by Canuovea on Feb 14, 2015 19:47:26 GMT
Always with the Nazis too. And the Catholics were pretty damn funny. You know, though, the thing with Anglicanism is that... well... it is so recent, and so obviously born out of politics (namely, Henry the 8th wanting to fuck another woman against the Church's wishes), that I don't see it as believable at all. I mean, less so than I see most religions. Other protestant movements can claim to be moving away from a corrupt Church that has fucked scriptural interpretation up. Anglicanism gets to claim that England is special and are the only ones who get saints... and such and such... because their King wanted to divorce the Queen. So in this respect, Tolkien was superior to Lewis as well. Tangent. Off Tangent... Right. In this show, the idea of a Vampire being given the life/blood of another willingly makes them more powerful. As opposed to the usual forcing the issue. In that sense, every person that does so lives on as a part of that Vampire, but driven by that single will. Which is what happened to "Alucard" or, basically, Vlad Dracul, in the story. It is also what might have happened to the main villain after WW2 had he not rejected it, caring too much for maintaining his own select individuality. An interesting philosophical contrast, really. Hobbes' Leviathan is the idea that, basically speaking, nations are made up of individuals that are united by common purpose. Hobbes went one step farther, saying that they are basically a single entity with a single will... but that single will requires that there be a single person controlling that nation. He was a monarchist supreme, you see. So given that Alucard is literally made up of the, willing, individuals that made up his nation when he was human... he is literally a pint sized version of Hobbes' Leviathan. That is why he is so powerful as a Vampire. What I mean by pint sized is... well... compare: Even looks a bit like Vlad, eh?
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Post by tiberia on Feb 14, 2015 20:19:58 GMT
You've been obsessed with Hobbes's Leviathan lately. This is the second time someone has embodied Leviathan. Last time it was Agent Smith
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Post by Canuovea on Feb 14, 2015 20:35:24 GMT
Smith is another one.
The only way the "many" can overcome the "one" is by appointing one of their number as their leader, in whom they invest all their authority and power.
It also somewhat came up in that odd little anime... that one that had those historical/mythical persons fighting each other. The Alexander the Great person gave a similar kind of speech that could easily be tied to Hobbesian thought.
It is more pervasive than one might think.
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Post by Harkovast on Feb 14, 2015 22:19:25 GMT
I think you are giving agent smith too much credit. I suspect the intention in the sequels was more along the lines of "We need to bring Smith back cause he was cool, but we need to make him more powerful so he seems scary again. How about we have there be, like, loads of him?"
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Post by Canuovea on Feb 15, 2015 1:01:38 GMT
Well, once he was in there. I'm not sure it was the Wachowskis being smart or just being what it ended up looking like to me.
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Post by frostwolf on Feb 15, 2015 1:26:09 GMT
Smith is another one. The only way the "many" can overcome the "one" is by appointing one of their number as their leader, in whom they invest all their authority and power. It also somewhat came up in that odd little anime... that one that had those historical/mythical persons fighting each other. The Alexander the Great person gave a similar kind of speech that could easily be tied to Hobbesian thought. It is more pervasive than one might think. Are you talking about Fate/stay? I've honestly never heard the name of this philosophy before, though I've thought of it before. That's basically how a hive mind works. Like Bees, or ants...or zombies in some settings.
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Post by Canuovea on Feb 15, 2015 1:34:40 GMT
Yes. Hobbes had some neat ideas... but it was flawed at that level. Some good things though.
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Post by Harkovast on Feb 15, 2015 1:40:52 GMT
I think in the Matrix Sequels its just the viewers brain desperately looking for meaning in the pointless swirl of nonsense. Trying to make them mean something...that way madness lies!
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Post by frostwolf on Feb 15, 2015 1:59:06 GMT
I think in the Matrix Sequels its just the viewers brain desperately looking for meaning in the pointless swirl of nonsense. Trying to make them mean something...that way madness lies! ...I think you can apply that sort of thinking to trying to find meaning in anything.
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Post by Canuovea on Feb 15, 2015 2:13:02 GMT
I still think that it should have had the "real world" be another level of the matrix.
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