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Post by Harkovast on Jun 9, 2015 23:25:25 GMT
Ummm, let me think about that.... Can anyone think of any all female warrior formations in Harkovast? If there aren't any I will make one up. Seems like there should be at least one, espcially considering all the male only warrior groups.
Zadakine assasins are predominantly female...but thats not 100% gender divided.
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Post by Harkovast on Jun 9, 2015 23:31:35 GMT
I am kinda feeling like there isn't one... I can make one for the Milshok. Milshok are bad ass.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 9, 2015 23:34:42 GMT
Probably some divisions of the Veritorian Guard, I can't see the Eslum church allowing their warrior nuns to fight in mixed units with their warrior monks.
Other than that I don't think there are any special, exclusively female units. In fact, the only gender-exclusive unit I can think of from a nation that allows both sexes to fight wars would be the Sacred Band, and they're all gay men.
What the hell is a Milshok? I know that they're badass and apparently nobody notices them.
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Post by Harkovast on Jun 9, 2015 23:39:44 GMT
Well, people in Harkovast notice them, you guys fail to notice them. They were on the magic chart and mentioned in the news feed for ages before you came across them.
The Varitoria would have the female ones in their own units, that's true, but they are still male and female ones that are the same. It's not something exclusive where women can't generally join (like darsai knights or golta grenadiers.) Its just segregating squadrens. They would still fight together and have the same commanders, and are all units in the same organisation.
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Post by Horsie on Jun 9, 2015 23:45:51 GMT
You're just going to torment us with the Milshok, like the lights on the moon, aren't you?
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Post by Harkovast on Jun 9, 2015 23:47:43 GMT
I need to start having people in Harkovast use the phrase "as plain as the lights on the moon" to mean something very obvious.
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 10, 2015 1:08:14 GMT
Lights which are the homes of the Lel or something.
I noticed the Milshock, but besides their magic and the feed I know there is no information on them. Aside from the fact that they're Panthers, because that is what Hark said Death Metal people would have to be ((No, they're probably not, but whatever))
Also, there were basically amazon brigades, but they all got killed or turned into Nameless. The Hyena Karack people, anyone?
As for the fluff... don't compare Space Marines on the boardgame to fluff. If you had fluff worthy space marines in the boardgame you'd only be able to afford one per squad and they'd have stats like 9 ballistic skill, 9 weapons skill, strength/toughness 6 and so forth. In fluff, flamers (the Sisters of Battle's primary weapon) have literally no effect on their armour. They're far faster than any human, and one of them can decimate a squad of elite troops from anyone else (except, maybe, Eldar aspect warriors or wyches/incubi). Hell, they mostly beat even Necrons to death in close combat, and those things are literally living metal. Space Marines use lascannons as sniper rifles!
Sisters of Battle assumed they'd be able to take a Space Marine Chapter, probably in the middle of a ritual they were all up and armoured during, without the support of arty and such? Fluffwise, yeah, the Space Marines would murder them horribly. Why the Sisters of Battle and the Inquisitor woman were so dumb as not to know that... I don't know? Because Games Workshop thinks women are stupid?
That is why they make the Space Marines far more balance in the game... and yeah, they might as well be jerking off to them in the fluff.
And trying to start a Sisters of Battle army is pointless anyway. At this juncture, all their models are metal and so hilariously expensive (even for Games Workshop).
As for women in the Imperial Guard... I actually think that their models wouldn't look much different from the regular models. The only reason that we know there aren't female models in the Imperial Guard (sorry, Astra Militarum) is because GW has a tendency to put boobplate style armour on all their female models! Unless, of course they're not actually wearing armour at all. So really, it is easy enough to say that with all that gear and armour, there are plenty of female guard soldiers represented in the models. They just, uh, don't have wide hips... but then again, the only difference between a female Eldar Guardian model and a male one is the chestpiece, so it isn't like GW cares about other aspects of female anatomy anyway.
I'm not defending Games Workshop, I think most of this is silly (and Fluff Space Marines ridiculously OP).
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Post by Horsie on Jun 10, 2015 1:24:25 GMT
Nope, Nazis on the moon. Space Nazis, with jetpacks. I didn't count the Karak because they're all dead
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 10, 2015 1:29:51 GMT
That could mean that the Nameless accidentally have an all female regiment.
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Post by zaealix on Jun 10, 2015 1:39:25 GMT
I am kinda feeling like there isn't one...I can make one for the Milshok. Milshok are bad ass. Surprising, but not when I think of things from a historical standpoint. If I'm recalling correctly, the only specifically female warrior group that is known to have existed I think were Amazons? Sooo yeah, I can see how that came about, though I doubt the exclusion of one up to this point came from anything other than a lack of though on the subject...
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 10, 2015 1:45:01 GMT
Amazons were probably mythical but based on some degree of truth.
The Scythians were a horsey people who often included female warriors in their ranks.
Of course, the Greeks took this far off people and turned them into fantasy porn, and from there, myth and legend.
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Post by Harkovast on Jun 10, 2015 13:14:30 GMT
The fluff space marines have a complete goofy power level that doesn't make any sense.
Also sisters of battle have three primary weapons. If I assume flamers don't work (fluff powers activate!), bolt guns (the same weapons space marines use to kill each other) and MELTA GUNS! Meltaguns break all space marine armour (and all armour generally) but are very close range. They would really be only deadly if you could get near to a space marine during, I dunno, some kind of ambush? Maybe if you attacked them when they weren't ready during a ritual? A melta gun kills space marines the saem way it kills most things. Power armour and being bigand tough are literally useless against it.
Sisters of battle know which of their weapons beat power armour (as its the same weapons that beat them.)
If we are going to say "well its space marines, so they always win because space marines." then we might as well say space marines are magic because they have literally what ever power level the writers feel like giving them. That's frankly embarassing.
Also, the idea that space marines can't be surprised is very easy to prove wrong. Ever heard of the Istvaan V dropsite massacre? One of the key events in fluff, not some obscure no longer canon bullshit here! The loyal space marines are betrayed by the legions that have turned to chaos and are literally slaughtered. Note that its not a battle, its a massacre. The space marines were actually led by primarchs and still managed to blunder in and get cut to ribbons. Note that the primary weapon being fired at them by the traitors was boltguns, the same weapon sisters of battle fire at them. Maybe sisters of battle don't know how to fire their guns, or there are two versions of boltguns I don't know about? Or its a perspective trick and space marine guns are actually the size of houses?
I think it's the only time in the fluff space marines get slaughtered horribly, but it demonstrates that killing them in this way is perfectly possible.
The fact the power levels varies so wildly between fluff and rules (and within the fluff itself) is just because the writing is often bullshit, done by numerous people over time and the Space Marines often do stuff they shouldn't be allowed to do because of Mary Sue treatment.
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 10, 2015 15:24:47 GMT
Istavaan 4 was an ambush from other Space Marines who the ambushees trusted. The Space Marines now don't trust anyone, especially the Ecclesiarchy.
If the Space Marines were armed when the Sisters beamed down, the fluffrines would murderkill the Sisters pretty badly. Especially considering certain flaws with Teleportation in the 40K universe (takes a bit of time to recouver).
And yeah, it doesn't make any sense. In some versions, guardsmen can "overload" a las rifle to blast straight through space marine armour at close range. And so on and such. None of it really makes sense or is consistent.
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Post by Harkovast on Jun 10, 2015 21:14:00 GMT
Canuovea I like how you have to go aroun the houses a little before agreeing with me. It's not a dishonour to say I'm right, I wont think less of you. It isn't a sign of weakness.
By the way, if you do want a sisters of battle army, you can get them for fuck all from china. Just saying...
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Post by Canuovea on Jun 10, 2015 21:50:21 GMT
I'll have to tell Tiberia about China then.
As for my style of discussion, I write around the point a lot, even if I agree with it.
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