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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 26, 2018 16:55:39 GMT
T2 is pretty much the perfect sequel. The only real complaint I would have about it is that they gave away that "the T800 is good this time" in the trailer, cuz the impact of the audience finding out that he was the good guy at the same time that the characters did would have been phenomenal. Everything else is great though, and T2 has one of the most intense dream sequences ever put on film.
Linda Hamilton's contribution to that film can't be overstated. She has to pull off crazy, confused, terrified, courageous, determined, vengeful, remorseful, etc, all while balancing the strength of a warrior with the compassion of a mother and still remain faithful to the character she played in the previous movie. She's like the ultimate bad ass.
We just don't see that in Emilia Clarke. I can't say she's an awful actor (thought there were a few scenes where I was: "Oh, gosh! You really needed to reshoot that), but she's basically a completely new character now. We are denied all those major moments of growth she had in the first movie.
I mean, "Pops" raising a little girl while protecting her from a T1000 might have been an awesome movie, or at least a nice 15 min sequence in this movie, but it's glossed over and told in the most boring way possible. Give the audience a chance to see her become strong, instead of just dropping her into our laps as strong. That's boring as hell, and has become a staple of modern film making. Character has done all their growing off screen because character development is boring.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 26, 2018 17:49:28 GMT
The original film terminator has some of the best casting in any film ever made. There are some great supporting performances (the police guys do a lot with the small role they play) but the three main actors are all totally perfect in everyway.
It goes without saying Arnie was born to play the inhuman cyborg monster so I don't need to dwell on how great that is.
But the other two are also totally spot on, right down to their looks.
Michael Beihn is in great shape, but his thin, its lean muscle, not bulk. He has a thin face, with wild eyes that stand out. This is a guy I can believe ate rats and fought robots his whole life. He's a good looking guy, but hes not just typical generic hollywood leading man look.
Linda Hamilton is also very good looking, but its that "cute girl next door" kind of look. She looks like an attractive person you might know in real life, not the unobtainable hollywood beauty. She's just a nice normal girl living her life, no one that special. But even by the end of the first film she does the transformation into bad ass machine destroying mother of the revolution. (This becomes a physical transformation in the second film as she becomes fucking ripped.)
Everyone just looks like exactly what they should, and then their performance knock it out of the park.
Compare that to the new one. New Kyle Reese has a neck thicker than my waste and is about 7 feet tall. This gigantic slab of beef looks like he found the last protein shake stash the machines didn't destroy. Can robots not detect you if you hit the gym really hard everyday, brah? He doesnt seem haunted, or crazy or dangerous. He talks abotu the time him and John got drunk on moonshine. In the first film his description of women was "they are good warriors" or something like that. He has never had sex because all he knows is endless war and destruction against inhuman killing machine. He is a super soldier who knows nothing but war...THEY DID NOT HAVE TIME TO GET WASTED ON MOONSHINE! Later on Reese is cracking modern jokes about things, and if you didn't know you skipped the opening scene you would think this was just some regular normal guy who hung out at the gym a lot.
The new Sarah Connor was cast because she was big from game of thrones. She looks like a pretty hollywood starlet, way too young and way too short. When she tries to act tough she comes across as a whiney kid pissing and moaning. She moans about how unfair it was that has to shag Reese. By T2, Sarah seemed like if she thought getting your dick would save the human race, if you weren't putting out she'd pull out a gun and demand you do her! Who is this petulant child, whining about her problems. She seemed to consider her importance and the importance of her child was almost like some kind of gift, like a divine destiny. Here it felt like she saw it as a distraction from hanging out at the mall.
And now arnie is way too old for the part and its embarrassing to keep bringing him back. He was pushing it a bit in T3. Now its time to call it a (judgement) day.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 26, 2018 18:44:33 GMT
Linda Hamilton in T2 was wet dream material for all the teen boys in the early 90s. That part where she's doing pull ups in the mental institution and her biceps are super defined? Yeah, that's the stuff.
Seriously though, Michael Beihn and Linda Hamilton were believable enough to make the story feel real despite the unreal premise.
The new Kyle is a blank-faced gorilla. There is no chemistry between the two. Heck, I think there's more going on between Kyle and "Pops".
Oh, and Arnold attempting to say "cellular" is hilarious, and he says it twice in a short conversation. Just gold.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 26, 2018 19:09:18 GMT
We also know Arnie thinks Kyle's dick is small.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 26, 2018 19:27:52 GMT
Black faced gorilla sums up new Kyle so well. He's just this big lumbering goof.
Original Kyle sounded like a genuine crazy person, not just becuase of what he was saying but the wya he was saying. And hell he kinda WAS a crazy person. The history of things to come makes Sarah a crazy person too!
New Kyle manages to convey the emotion of slightly confused and that's about it.
The sexual tension between Kyle and Sarah is fucking central to the frnachise and (within the movie) to the survival of the human race!
god remember that bit in genisys where sarah gets undressed and there is this spot light on her so we get a perfect outline like she's Jessica Rabbit. And Kyle is all flustered by it. WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT? That was so embarrassing.
Apparently James Cameron has admitted he was just shilling when he said Genisys was good. He was doing it because he's friends with Arnie.
So yeah, he was just bullshitting us.
Canuovea...I fear I will regret asking you to clarify your claim... I remember they had stupid rivalries, trying to load guns faster and shit, but I dont remember the specific one you are saying. It SOUNDS like something they would do in this movie, so I'm sure its correct, I'm just wondering how in particular they conveyed this information.
The small dick is probably steroid related for new Kyle. And Arnie would be the expert about that.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 26, 2018 19:30:46 GMT
When Kyle is naked Arnie gives a small glance down while saying he was "inadequate".
I think that's what he's talking about.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 26, 2018 19:33:16 GMT
There is a scene in the film, so I have heard, where Arnie sees naked Kyle, looks down, and goes: "I see little... reason to trust you."
Or something like that.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 26, 2018 19:41:11 GMT
FFS I don't even remember that.
You know a movie is terrible when you keep finding new bad shit you didn't remember the first time.
Kyle Reese- Blank faced gorilla with the charisma of a work bench and a micro penis. Not only does the film give no indication that Sarah wants him to fuck her (due to them having zero sexual tension), she probably wouldn't even notice if he did!
They perfected this shit in 1984 and did literally everything better. Society is going backwards, folks! We are fucking regressing!
Another thing...in the new one terminators are shit. They kill tons of them. Not just with plasma guns in the future. In the present they kill the regular one with one shot, take about 10 minutes to kill Asian T1000 (why would you make a terminator a minority? Wouldn't you wnat to look like the majority to be less noticed? Asians are 5% of Americans. Is SKy net worried about diversity when it makes these things?) John Connor's shit dusty terminator seems worse than a T1000 as far as I can tell. So that's 3 fucking terminators taken down! Do the terminators even kill many humans? I feel like the terminator to human ratio is all fucked up! These things are evil murder machines we are supposed to be scared of! Now they are a fucking joke.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 26, 2018 19:45:38 GMT
Terminators have one job and they fuck it up every time.
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Post by Horsie on Aug 26, 2018 19:59:31 GMT
I've only seen the first film, but if that's anything to go off of the Terminators don't stop until they're literally destroyed, good luck doing that with a couple of gunshots.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 26, 2018 20:03:55 GMT
Red letter media said they are "try-nators"
When only tow have been sent back to murder people its okay. Now it feels like dozens of them. They seem like complete losers.
Arnie was so fucking scary in the first film! The T-1000 was so fucking lethal!
Another example of perfect casting- T-1000 is perfect. He's not big like Arnie, he's slim. He's not just a bigger more powerful machine, hes a more sophisticated one. The dumb thing to do would be one that's bigger or stronger but the T-1000 subverts all that. His technologically beyond Arnie, rendering him obsolete. The old terminator seems like a lumbering oath against this lighter, faster, more flexible creation.
When he is there in that police uniform he looks sort of pristine. His skin seems smooth and blemish free with an angular jaw. And his expression when he is on target conveys his absolute unstoppable determination.
Other subtle details I love about the T-1000. He is way better at imitating humans. Arnie can copy voices and has files about humans, but the T-1000 can hold conversations and seem completely normal...until he sees John Connor and than he just hurls kids asside and ploughs forwards unstoppably.
In the directors cut you get the sense of him malfunctioning during the final battle, as being frozen and shattered leaves him unstable. This makes the scene where he tortures Sarah more interesting, as its the T-1000 losing its mind and becoming more sadistic.
Also I always loved that the T-1000 gets damaged. A dumber film would have it instantly healing all damage, but instead it gets damaged, sometimes falling down briefly as if dead, but then heals up and stands again. Like healing is an active action it has to stop and take. Like Arnie in the first film, its not just magic and invincible, its a very advanced powerful machine that has rules and limits.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 26, 2018 20:04:33 GMT
Renard watch the first film again and then watch the second one cause they are both fucking awesome. Then just stop. Watch no more terminators beyond that point.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 26, 2018 21:47:03 GMT
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 26, 2018 21:50:04 GMT
Aye, there's the... rub.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 26, 2018 22:19:49 GMT
Welp...now I want the machines to kill us all.
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