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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 27, 2018 16:29:07 GMT
You know what might be an interesting premise? If a terminator wins.
I don't mean like Terminator 3 where Judgement Day is inevitable. I mean like they send one back to kill a target, maybe one not directly involved with our established characters. A guardian goes back to prevent it, but after a long, harrowing ordeal of running and fighting the terminator finally corners them, grabs the target and snaps his/her neck. Its task complete, the terminator slowly sinks to its knees and shuts down. The guardian grabs a pipe or whatever and just starts screaming and pounding on the motionless cyborg futilely, knowing hes stuck in the past and a failure.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 27, 2018 18:27:26 GMT
It sounds like a twilight zone short in that context. That kind of twist ending where the hero is doomed to whats going to happen.
In a way Sky net got a twilight zone/outter limit ending, as it caused its own inevitable defeat.
God terminator 1 and 2 are so fucking awesome
I wonder what a Terminator does once its mission in the past succeeds? I guess walk off into the ocean so as to not mess up history any more (You dont want the humans to find the thing and get intel or maybe realised evil robots are plotting against them.)
Adult John Connor should never be in a Terminator film as a character. You could never make him as cool as we imagine him. He's a guy so awesome he makes a completely defeated human race rise up across the globe and destroy sky net. You just cant do it justice! Before him the humans had already lost and the machines were rounding them up in camps to be processed. Both sides thought it was a done deal and then he comes along and flips the script and defeats the machines. It will never be as bad ass as in our imaginations!
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 27, 2018 18:35:54 GMT
Slightly off topic...but in T3 they make it so the power cell in a terminator is like a mega powerful bomb. If terminators have bomsb in them....why no just detonate yourself when you are anywhere near sarah connor? Or pull out a power core, damage it and throw it into the Cyber Noir club at the start of movie one? Fucking bull shit, that's what it is!
The original films work so well because the time machine is last ditch. Sky net is almost beaten and the time machine has only just been completed as its last ditch weapon as the war ends. I love that idea that the machine calculates that the war is unwinnable and it is incapable of beating John Connor, so comes up with the only logical way to win...remove John connor from the time line. So it doesnt have time for a big organised plan (like the nuke covered in a flesh ball or something). It sends off its agents just as the humans kick in the door. The fact that after kyle is sent they detect another terminator was sent and send their own terminator after it, and then destroy the machine as John Connor knows this is what will secure the future, and maybe even prevent the war. But now they sent back about a hundred of the fucking things all over the place, with another couple of hundred to stop em. Its a fucking disaster.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 27, 2018 18:45:53 GMT
Okay to be fair... Genisys is a baffling mess, but it is honestly kind of entertaining. It's such an incomprehensible mess of a movie, doign backflips to justify its only horseshit plot that still makes basically no sense that it is kind of amazing. If you want a bad movie to laugh at, it might be worth a gander on those grounds.
Its a bit like watching those funny old plane designs that didnt work and fell to bits. You aren't really watching them as quality aeroplanes.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 27, 2018 19:05:27 GMT
Yeah, I honestly really enjoyed Genisys. I mean, it had flaws, but it was wearing em like a badge of honor. Sorta like a T800 with half its face shot off and riddled with bullet holes. Sure, it ain't right, but it keeps on pushing forward anyway. I'm a bit disappointed we won't see where they were going to take this shit storm.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 27, 2018 19:19:33 GMT
I must admit I do have a sort of morbid curiosity at what bat shit nonsense they would have cooked up next. Mind you, the next one tries to pick up from where the second one left off, so in a way that'd the proper sequal to gensisys. Making everything even more damn confusing! Here is a shot from the new one- What looks like rando garage employee, old lady Sarah Connor and the one in the middle that I am assured on good authority is a woman. Yes they are pushing the "Its all women! So progressive!" Yeah cause there was no female empowerment in terminator films before. It's gonna suck...but will it but lame suck like T3, or hillarious bat shit suck like Genisys? I know what Im hoping for!
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 27, 2018 19:55:21 GMT
Well, I'm sure she identifies as a woman. Good for her.
So, just add more women and that will save the franchise? Is that where we're going? This works every time it's tried, right? Of course that's going to completely nullify the need for good writing or even bad writing that's good.
I don't get that. We're told that women work for less, so if you cast all women to star in your movie you must be saving money. Spend that saved money on writers. Preferably female writers who will do it for cheaper.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 27, 2018 19:56:54 GMT
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait....
If we're going with an old Sarah Conner anyway... Who the fuck is that?
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 27, 2018 19:59:09 GMT
Holy shit, that is Linda.
The years, Linda, the years.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 27, 2018 20:24:29 GMT
The original film was 1984, 34 years is a long time! Apparently Arnie will be in there in some capacity too, being ancient. I'm sure people are just chomping at the bit to watch geriatrics battling it out.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 27, 2018 20:59:44 GMT
They prolly gonna ret con that John isn't her son but her grandson.
((sigh))
Feeling old.
Here's a funny thought though. This movie is bad, but for some reason I enjoyed it. Even though it ruined previously established characters and lore.
The Last Jedi is bad. It ruins previously established characters and lore. AND I HATED IT!
How come I'm okay with one and furious with the other?
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 27, 2018 21:50:58 GMT
Last Jedi walks a very fine line. Its terrible nad ruins everything, but never quite goes far enough to turn into parody.
Terminator Genisys is pretty much huffing bath salts levels of insane and it becomes funny.
Also Last Jedi has more failed comedy. Comedy failing isn't funny, by definition.
Aside from a few BIZARRE comedy attempts (the tune from Cops? Seriously?) Terminator Genisys is trying to be funny but utterly fucking it up in hilarious ways.
Also Terminator had already been fucked up previously, so no one had expectations.
Star Wars some of us still had some hopes for so it came as more of shock.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 27, 2018 22:05:59 GMT
Yeah, but they fail in so many of the same ways.
John Connor is a symbol of hope and heroism. This movie takes that symbol and turns him into something completely different, something contrary to the previously established lore. Then it kills him.
Luke Skywalker is a symbol of hope and heroism. The Last Jedi takes that symbol and turns him into something completely different, something contrary to the previously established lore. Then it kills him.
This movie ret cons major plot points in previous movies and ignores many others.
The Last Jedi ret cons major plot points in previous movies and ignores many others.
This movie uses many of the same locations as previous movies.
The Last Jedi uses many of the same locations as previous movies thinly veiled as new locations.
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Post by wordweaver3 on Aug 27, 2018 22:08:16 GMT
Not to mention the previous 4 Star Wars movies were for the most part garbage. The time frame since the last good Star Wars is actually greater than since the last good Terminator.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 27, 2018 22:08:30 GMT
Honestly I think the main thing is the expectations and the hope. From the title alone, we knew gensisys was a turd.
Last Jedi is more like the feeling you get from Star Trek Discovery, where you have some hope it will turn things around and it fucks EVERYTHING up.
Genisys didn't have any sort of rteal hope attached to it, except by James Cameron, hoping we would believe him lying to us.
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