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Post by Canuovea on Oct 20, 2015 5:46:26 GMT
Pretty much.
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Post by demonnachos on Oct 20, 2015 6:04:21 GMT
Then again, Genesis doesn't either.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 20, 2015 6:06:23 GMT
Ironically, those are traditionally the parts that you aren't supposed to challenge. In Judaism at least.
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Post by demonnachos on Oct 20, 2015 6:09:43 GMT
Without Eden, there is no need for Christ to take a 3 day nap so you can use him as a scapegoat
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 20, 2015 6:30:02 GMT
Not entirely accurate.
Augustine was the originator of the concept of "Original Sin" or, at least, the one who advocated for it. This means that Christianity was getting along fine for the 400 or so years before Augustine. Before that, one would suspect that Christ was a messiah figure, and one who died for our regular old sins, not the first one at the Garden of Eden.
Also, yes, eternal punishment and original sin are both his fault.
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Post by demonnachos on Oct 20, 2015 7:18:21 GMT
So should I get my Delorean and go kick him in the dick?
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 20, 2015 7:47:32 GMT
I wouldn't mind. Though I have my own subtle forms of revenge. I don't usually go to pubs or bars, but there is one nearby called "St. Augustine's". I've been there once, but I take a kind of strange satisfaction in the fact that Augustine has a pub named after him. He'd hate that.
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Post by demonnachos on Oct 20, 2015 8:12:18 GMT
Isn't he the guy that made Christmas what it is?
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Post by Horsie on Oct 20, 2015 8:15:53 GMT
I just got an ad in the post for a series of seminars in my town that promise to answer all of my questions about biblical prophesy, whether we can trust anything any more (my money says they'll tell me the bible, the Lord, and Jesus), how to avoid the Great Deception of the Antichrist, and just what to expect in the upcoming End of Days.
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Post by demonnachos on Oct 20, 2015 8:25:50 GMT
If you go, ask why Tyre is still around. Ask if they know why the moon turns red, because we know it isn't supernatural. Ask how exactly that 7-headed and 10-horned red dragon knocks stars from the sky with its tail which crash down onto the Earth.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 20, 2015 8:44:08 GMT
It is all metaphor, don't you see?!
Also, I don't think Augustine is responsible for Christmas, but I'm not sure.
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Post by demonnachos on Oct 20, 2015 9:01:30 GMT
What could a 7-headed 10-horned red dragon who swipes stars from the sky with his tail after desperately trying to eat some woman's newborn possibly be a metaphor for?
I think it was a Byzantine emperor who adopted pagan traditions into Christianity to convert the locals (easier to change the meaning than to change the tradition).
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 20, 2015 16:27:23 GMT
Corporations? Ruining the dreams of a nation? I mean, at least one person thinks so. I'm sure they could think of something. Hell, I can think of something this prophesies:
"Cold be hand and heart and bone, And cold be sleep under stone. Never to rise from stony bed, Never, till the sun has failed and moon is dead. In the black wind the stars shall die Yet here on gold still let them lie Until the Dark Lord lifts up his hand Over dead sea and withered land."
The power of human imagination is boundless. And deceptive.
You can say that Christianity changing to fit the circumstances really began with Paul. Or you could say that the fault lies with Constantine, who demanded a unified state faith (just one reason I think Constantine was a miserable failure). But no matter what, Eastern or Western Roman Empire, they were almost always adopting Pagan traditions to suit their needs.
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Post by Horsie on Oct 20, 2015 16:31:02 GMT
It's next Friday, and I'm not about to disrupt my Friday rum and tea tradition just to fuck with a bunch of ignorants.
Plus, they'd probably stone me.
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Post by Canuovea on Oct 20, 2015 16:34:01 GMT
Good choice, Renard. They probably would.
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