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Le Pen
Apr 25, 2017 22:31:52 GMT
Post by Harkovast on Apr 25, 2017 22:31:52 GMT
People want a solution. They will take a bad solution over doing nothing. The idea that our current problems cannot possibly be over come seems strange to me. I mean humanity has faced worse problems than this before. To just throw up our arms and declare defeat...I dont get it.
I mean its like el_merlot said, if we just declare defeat then its no wonder people are turning to the whackos.
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Le Pen
Apr 26, 2017 4:34:40 GMT
Post by Canuovea on Apr 26, 2017 4:34:40 GMT
It doesn't mean do nothing, but repairing the social rift and fixing things is going to be far more difficult than just saying so. So yes, that means they're are going to be dealing with terrorism as a fact of life for some time, until whatever effective fixes that are put in place are able to take effect.
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Le Pen
Apr 26, 2017 4:53:22 GMT
Post by TempestFennac on Apr 26, 2017 4:53:22 GMT
That's still no excuse for him not having a plan to deal with it. And I know that solution wouldn't be the most popular but it would at least have the potential to help. Come to think of it, just having a plan to help bring jobs to economically deprived areas in general would probably be a better idea given how a lot of less urban areas of France are apparently getting poorer (the way I see it, if it just so happens that predominantly muslim areas are the poorest of all, helping them first isn't positive discrimination because it's just helping the ones who need it the most first).
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Le Pen
Apr 26, 2017 5:31:32 GMT
Post by Horsie on Apr 26, 2017 5:31:32 GMT
You'd have a hard time selling that to voters, I think a lot of them would just see it as the government turning their back on Frenchmen in favour of immigrants.
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Le Pen
Apr 26, 2017 5:47:29 GMT
Post by TempestFennac on Apr 26, 2017 5:47:29 GMT
That's why I said having it as a general anti-poverty thing may work better.
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Le Pen
Apr 26, 2017 17:03:19 GMT
Post by Harkovast on Apr 26, 2017 17:03:19 GMT
I think "I have solutions that will take time to solve this crisis" isn't perfect... but its a lot better than "you better learn to live with it."
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Le Pen
Apr 26, 2017 17:17:37 GMT
Post by TempestFennac on Apr 26, 2017 17:17:37 GMT
And it's at least being honest; no solutions which are likely to work can be implemented in 10 seconds flat.
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Le Pen
Apr 26, 2017 17:38:44 GMT
Post by Horsie on Apr 26, 2017 17:38:44 GMT
Oh God... I'm fighting the urge to post a pony
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Le Pen
Apr 26, 2017 18:03:41 GMT
Post by Canuovea on Apr 26, 2017 18:03:41 GMT
"I have solutions, don't worry!"
"...Really? What are they?"
"You won't like them."
"What do you mean?"
"Fine. We're going to make the lives of immigrants better."
"You're throwing Frenchmen under the bus!"
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Le Pen
Apr 26, 2017 18:44:16 GMT
Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 26, 2017 18:44:16 GMT
That's the problem when you get everybody used to divisive politics. When you constantly promise to use policies to hurt "those guys" in order to get votes. If you try to even suggest something that will be beneficial to everyone folks are gonna assume you're fucking someone over.
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Le Pen
Apr 26, 2017 19:00:51 GMT
Post by Horsie on Apr 26, 2017 19:00:51 GMT
That's one thing these populist candidates everywhere are using in their favour.
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Le Pen
Apr 30, 2017 21:01:15 GMT
Post by Harkovast on Apr 30, 2017 21:01:15 GMT
Here is a vision of how the left could reinvent itself, in America at least. Not saying its right, but its an example of the kind of new path that is required. Something has to change unless we are just resigned to an eternity of defeats by extreme right wing nationalism. See what you make of this.
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Le Pen
Apr 30, 2017 21:48:57 GMT
Post by wordweaver3 on Apr 30, 2017 21:48:57 GMT
"Stay away from the crazy side of our party."
Next breath.
"Follow Bernie Sanders' example."
Have your cake and eat it.
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Le Pen
Apr 30, 2017 22:32:42 GMT
Post by Canuovea on Apr 30, 2017 22:32:42 GMT
Problem is, both identity (which includes class) and economics is important and, also, useful as lenses to understand the world. You go with identity stuff, the right screams what it is screaming now. You go with the economics stuff, the right screams about class warfare.
You can't win if you are trying to please that lot and either way you're going to lose voters.
And I don't see how issues like "Transgender washrooms" are anywhere near the kind of extremism the article seems concerned about. What is far more concerning is the attempted stifling of ideas and communication. But whatever.
Also Sanders is middle of the road anywhere other than the USA.
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Le Pen
May 1, 2017 21:14:28 GMT
Post by Harkovast on May 1, 2017 21:14:28 GMT
I think Le Pen will lose...but I am a logn way from certain. I would not put money on it. And keep in mind I assumed Trump and Brexit wouldn't happen so quite clearly I don't know jack shit.
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