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Le Pen
May 1, 2017 21:30:23 GMT
Post by wordweaver3 on May 1, 2017 21:30:23 GMT
We keep seeing this trend. I'm thinking Le Pen will win. The political landscape is just too chaotic for a directionless Milquetoast like Macron to hold the lead. He's playing it safe, which has gotten him a long way, but I don't think the majority of France wants safe, they want action.
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Le Pen
May 1, 2017 23:04:49 GMT
Post by Harkovast on May 1, 2017 23:04:49 GMT
See thats the thing, I can't dispute any of your logic, and I'm hearing similar logic from a lot of people (of wildly different political persuasions as well.) Only circumstantial evidence like online poles, comments on articles and just the general mood seem to support Le Pen winning.
I fear my sense that she wont' win might just be my assumption that the status quo will continue.
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Le Pen
May 1, 2017 23:16:06 GMT
Post by Harkovast on May 1, 2017 23:16:06 GMT
Im lets looks at this topic! No one is on here going "No way, Le Pen can't win!" its a debate on the reasons she is doing so well and whether this kind of movement can be stopped.
It feels like she has the wind behind her movement.
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Le Pen
May 1, 2017 23:26:56 GMT
Post by wordweaver3 on May 1, 2017 23:26:56 GMT
It feels like she has the wind behind her movement. Is that like when you're on the loo and your fart blasts it right out of you?
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Le Pen
May 1, 2017 23:34:22 GMT
Post by Harkovast on May 1, 2017 23:34:22 GMT
Yeah, when it just lifts you right off the pan and the porcelain acts like a fog horn, veberating the sound.
Marcon is just like a guy sitting on teh toilet for hours and then there is just this puny little sqeak fart and then he wipes but its pointless because he didn't even shit, but hes just kidding himself that he wasn't wasting his time sitting there straining.
That is EXACTLY what I meant with that metaphor.
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Post by wordweaver3 on May 1, 2017 23:46:14 GMT
Macron is the guy in the stall next to you who's holding it in cuz he doesn't wanna make loud farts that other people can hear. He's just waiting for you to leave so he can finish. His stomach making groaning noises and squeaky farts sneaking out once in a while. Except as you get up to leave someone else walks in and sits in the stall on the other side of him.
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Le Pen
May 1, 2017 23:52:12 GMT
Post by wordweaver3 on May 1, 2017 23:52:12 GMT
His only chance now is to play his intro song non-stop for the next week.
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Le Pen
May 4, 2017 22:55:48 GMT
Post by Harkovast on May 4, 2017 22:55:48 GMT
Yeah he missed a trick not having that as a campaign anthem. Imagine a candidate running under the slogan "feel the power". That would be awesome! I see more ominous signs though. Remember when the media gushed over how great Hillary was, but in their desperation to help her and hurt Trump, it ended up doign the opposite? Yeah well check out this article- Le Pen used verbal violence.I didn't watch the debate in question...but this makes me think she must have totally kicked his ass. Like borderline he was about to start crying. They are trying to paint her as a monster but it makes him sound pathetic and weak. I mean she was thrashing him so badly it was apparently equivalent to violence. So using her words, she totally kicked his ass? And that is supposed to make people NOT want to vote for her? I remember when Hillary was running, and we were being told saying things like a woman was "too aggressive" was horrible sexism. I guess its cool if its a woman whose politics you don't like. Also Obama is endorsing Macron...thus confirming Macron as establishment politics. Obama did this same shit with Brexit. Does he think people want a foreigner coming in and telling them how to vote? He's inadvertantly playing up to a stereotype of pushy Americans who think they run the whole world. Le Penn is running on the idea that France is being pushed around by foreign powers (in the debate she said it would be run by a woman, either her or Angela Merkel), a foreign leader like Obama waying in just confirms that perception. Obama needs to start shutting up and sitting down.
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Le Pen
May 5, 2017 0:38:29 GMT
Post by wordweaver3 on May 5, 2017 0:38:29 GMT
Considering all the hubbub over the idea that the Russians might have influenced our election, Obama shows his incredible tone deafness once again.
"Verbal Violence"? So speech can be too aggressive? Losing a debate is akin to being physically injured. Is that a path we really want to go down? This guy seems pretty pathetic and I'm not sure how well circling the wagons for him will go over.
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Le Pen
May 5, 2017 8:04:42 GMT
Post by Canuovea on May 5, 2017 8:04:42 GMT
And Putin and Trump endorsed Le Pen apparently.
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Le Pen
May 5, 2017 12:53:27 GMT
Post by Harkovast on May 5, 2017 12:53:27 GMT
I've seen this idea of words being violent getting pushed by progressive types for a while now. Things like using the wrong pronoun for a trans person are a form of violence according to this logic...as opposed to just saying something douchey.
It actually starts to turn creepy when they start trying to equate people saying something they don't like with actual physical violence their side commits. The idea is that the other person was already being violent (using violent words) so I was justified in fighting back with physical violence.
When Obama endorsed the remain thing in Brexit, it was a disaster. He was saying Britain would go to the back of the queue if we didn't vote to remain. It just sounded like "do what we want or you will be punished." As with everything, we can't be sure if it made a difference, but it was a boon to the pro brexit side.
I keep saying "the left" and "the right" but I feel like that doesn't describe things anymore. Its more like establishment vs new nationalism.
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Le Pen
May 5, 2017 14:19:41 GMT
Post by TempestFennac on May 5, 2017 14:19:41 GMT
2 other divides which have been brought up is Globalists vs. Localists and urban centres vs. rural ones (really, the reasons for the divides in both cases are pretty much the same).
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Le Pen
May 5, 2017 16:11:06 GMT
Post by Harkovast on May 5, 2017 16:11:06 GMT
Yeah, those fit too. I don't really know how to define it, but the old debates of left vs right and big vs small government don't describe the current conflicts anymore.
Le Penn is called far right but a lot of what she pushes economically is left wing.
The battle lines have all changed.
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Le Pen
May 5, 2017 16:15:38 GMT
Post by Harkovast on May 5, 2017 16:15:38 GMT
Okay...harsh reality time.
I don't like Le Pen or what she stands for...but I think maybe from a purely selfish British point of view...her winning would be better for the UK.
She would break up the EU as it current exists, making Brexit less of "everyone against us" and more of a general dissolution of the EU. From our bargaining point of view, the EU getting weaker makes our bargaining position stronger.
I don't like the idea of her winning, but for the UK, it would help us if she did.
We're living in crazy times.
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Le Pen
May 5, 2017 17:33:04 GMT
Post by wordweaver3 on May 5, 2017 17:33:04 GMT
It actually starts to turn creepy when they start trying to equate people saying something they don't like with actual physical violence their side commits. The idea is that the other person was already being violent (using violent words) so I was justified in fighting back with physical violence. During the debate if Macron crossed the stage and took a swing at Le Pen I have a strange feeling the press would have defended him. There really isn't a good distinction anymore. Nowadays the "left" in the US is big government establishment, and the "right" is big government establishment, except the right has the courtesy to lie about what they are during campaigns. They might have slightly different ideas of what kind of government they want, but they both want a big, powerful, invasive government. Really, the only difference between any political group nowadays is who they want to point the huge cannon of government at.
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