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Post by Harkovast on Aug 15, 2017 17:33:38 GMT
Apparently the number of large ruins on this map is less than the number of question mark factions listed on the side bar. This means that some of this unknown question mark faction will have to appear somewhere else...
I think the meaning here is pretty obvious.
PYGMY FACTION IN TOTAL WAR WARHAMMER 3!
CONFIRMED!!!!!!
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 15, 2017 17:36:59 GMT
Also....there seems to be a faction in the middle of Lustria who have a serpent symbol on their shield that are not listed in the additional faction section. Rumour mongering....COMMENCE!
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 16, 2017 3:48:03 GMT
Isn't that an Orc banner?
Anyway, I watched Arch Warhammer's video on it. For a "Loremaster" he knows ridiculously little.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 17, 2017 1:33:54 GMT
And yes, Skaven. Officially confirmed with an in engine trailer.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 17, 2017 19:56:30 GMT
Obvious fake trailer, ignore, down vote, git gud. Anyway, the new faction is going to be halflings. CONFIRMED! Honestly people are taking this whole Skaven joke a bit far, they are even posting made up guides to how they would work. But they cant work, because they dont exist. So don't read this article, its clearly nonsense.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 17, 2017 20:10:30 GMT
Oh regarding Archwarhammer I agree, he does the thing a lot of GW fans do where he takes his own interpretation of lore and treats it as immovable fact. GW lore is so varied and so long running that two people can have totaly contradictory ideas of it.
A friend of mine was working on a warhammer related mod for a game, and he wanted to make chaos all about corrupt cults getting power and warbands of random beasts and mutants getting together behidn champions. The guy he was working wiht said thats not what chaos is, chaos is barbarian norscans invading.
The truth is they are both right, they are just using different sources from different eras.
Everything is canon, not everything is true.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 18, 2017 1:56:21 GMT
Arch is particularly insufferable about it. Something about how he talks. Now I know, you're going to say that "its just the accent, you colonist types are conditioned by Hollywood to hear British sounding people as arrogant asshats!" And while that IS true (no it isn't), it is more than how he sounds, its what he says. Its condescending with no appreciation for how other people work and do things while also being so entitled as to expect as his right everything in the way he sees it. It is like if you disagree with him, you're an idiot.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 18, 2017 20:03:39 GMT
So now I know how I sound to Canadians!
ArchWarhammer does come across as way too smug, especially when hes arguing trivial points that one could easily explain.
He didnt like that there was a Necrarch brotherhood as a faciton because necrarchs are solitary. I am certain when Vampire bloodlines were in the gmae, you could totally have more than one vampire in a necrarch army! He was also outraged at dwarves in Lustria, claiming there was literally noway they could have got there. Really? Dwarves get on a boat seeking treasure in a far off land is a literal impossibility now? A lot of the time he isn't strickly wrong but is saying a subjective opinion like its objective fact which makes him seem arrogant.
Ive noticed that CA are getting more and more ambitiuous. When they started out they stuck firmly to canon with well established factions. With Bretonnia they started to expand a roster for the first time. Now with Norsca they have gone hog wild with Norsca (one reviewer described Norsca as assembled from "scraps and forge world") Obviously they didnt want to alienate fans by getting things wrong, and theyve been gradually testing the water for what they can do and still get good feedback. Norsca seems to have gone over really well (Im really enjoying it myself. The Troll King is the true king!) So I expect more of this type o expansion going forward.
Warhammer 2 predictions- Tomb kings- Definite. Their area of the map is right there. There is no chance of them not appearing. Daemons- Very likely. The vortex is meant to keep daemons out, and they would make sense as a big threat later on in the campaign. Araby- Certainly possible. After Norsca, I could see them appearing. They have a place on the map, after all. Amazons- Well you never know.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 19, 2017 2:26:19 GMT
The thing is, he isn't even right half the time. The Mine of the Bearded Skulls is a "canon" thing in Lustria, pretty obviously Dwarfs. Necrarchs are even more obviously placeholder for Tomb Kings. No Wood Elves in the Southlands? Funny, because while he ignores new lore because it isn't good enough for him, the Bowmen of Oreon are from some Dogs of War thingy in the 80s. Ancient stuff really. So he doesn't even know that very well.
They really are getting more and more ambitious. Though some are disappointed with the Skaven roster because it lacks a couple of "iconic" units. The jezzails being one of the big ones (nevermind the stupid giant rats). Then again, it sounds like the Hellpit Abomination is insane in terms of effort needed to make it work. I'd not want to be one of the animators responsible for that... thing.
Tomb Kings seem incredibly likely.
I don't think we'll see Daemons though. At least not as playable, not yet, they're essential for the Third Game. Need something in there to Baalance out the Chaos Dwarfs and the... yawn... Ogre Kingdoms. This makes it even more likely, to me, that we're going to see DLC for more minor factions. Especially, as you say, given Norsca's positive reception.
If Araby is going to be done, it is going to be done for this game. However, I'm not sure we will see them. It would be nice though. Personally I'd much rather have the Southern Realms... who I think are also possible, more likely than the Amazons in fact.
Another thing to consider is Lord Packs. Some of the factions from the Old World are likely to be made playable by Lord Pack, and this game has the potential for far more Lord Packs than the first game even if said Lords are to be more... obscure. Putting aside the main 4 playable races... we have Pirazzo's Legion (they have the same flag, but aren't called that, they're New World Colonists or something, but whatever), we have some Bretonnian Crusaders, the Vampire Coast (who should be led by an insane Blood Knight Vampire), Karak Zorn (the lost and first Karak of the Dwarfs), and so on.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 20, 2017 0:26:08 GMT
Its starting to look like their wont be many sides left for the third game at this rate. Another problem they might face is that their are no "good" races that seem to be left. While always kinda grim dark sides like the wood elves, empire, high elves and lizardmen are kinda like protagonists.
Based on what seems to be left, the Ogres (a race of murderous, rampaging cannibals) are the closest to good guys! Other possible things for the third game- Hobgoblins as their own faction (as in the background some of them do their own thing under the hobgobla Kahns.) They could do Kurgan or Hung chaos marauders....but its still all bad guys! There need to be heroes for contrast!
A very early date mining thing said part 3 was going to be about the 4 chaos powers, but that was only a tiny bit of info, and plans seem to have changed a lot since then, so I dont know how meaningful that is now.
Further evidence of Tilea coming soon- The norscans have special research that can only be done when they defeat a particular faction, and they have one for a lot of the major "good" factions but also one for Tilea. Tilea are the only NPC faction on there. They could be really cool as a faction in part 2, as a band of plucky explorers going and seeing all the wierd shit in Lustria.
ARch warhammer seems to think that because hes not aware of something, it cant exist...rather than him simply not having as much information as someone else. The Total War people have plunged the deepest depths of warhammer lore, so for him to just assume they dont know what they are doing with it is pretty ridiculous.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 20, 2017 1:14:54 GMT
Given that it apparently could involve the Chaos Wastes we could see Kislev for the third game. Maybe. Honestly, that is why I'm not super keen on the third one at this point. I'm not a fan of anyone there, though I suppose I may like the Chaos Dwarf's playstyle.
And yes, Tilea seems to potentially have been planned for. I am seriously hoping for them.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 20, 2017 13:38:20 GMT
Kislev as the good guys would work. I know what you mean about it not sounding super exciting at the minute. I think both Chaos Dwarves and Ogres could b interesting sides, but there needs to be a good/civilised nation to contrast their violence against.
MInd you,maybe something with different chaos warbands fighting could be interesting and Kislev as the good guys would balance things out a bit.
At this point though, we are going on basically bugger all information. They made some really interesting stuff out of Norsca and the Southlands, so I have some faith in them to pull out something cool.
Oh in case there was any doubt...There is a Norsca special event where your raiders return from a far off desert land where they fought walking skeletons. They've recovered a precious golden crown from one of their tombs that they bring back.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 20, 2017 23:03:29 GMT
There is also the... sigh... possibility that the Tomb Kings will come with game 3. Or at least be playable there. You'll notice that in the main map we are missing Lybras (High Queen Khalida) and Lahmia (Neferata's former seat of power) as they are on the other side of those mountains. What is also on the otherside of those mountains (just North and to the East) is the Darklands where the Chaos Dwarfs and Ogres are to be found. Above that you have Chaos wastes.
I hope we get the Tomb Kings as first major race DLC (so 4 LLs as opposed to the 2 LLs other smaller race packs will give out), but who knows?
I did not know about that event. They're teasing us again.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 21, 2017 0:00:44 GMT
Hmmm well I guess some uncertainty makes it interesting.
If we new for certain what we were getting , we couldnt do fun speculation.
I would guess...they will do tomb kings in this one but then part 3 will have some more tomb kings as npcs, just like we are seeing loads more of existing factions in part 2.
Part 3 will be able to have other factions as NPCs, but its just new factions that are a little thing on the ground.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 21, 2017 6:10:17 GMT
They probably will do just that, I suppose. Still. I wonder if they're going to put out Lord Packs for Warhammer 2 that allows use of Warhammer 1 races.
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