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Post by Harkovast on Aug 21, 2017 17:41:14 GMT
So like a Nercrach vampire character that leads a playable vampire one? That would be cool. But no substitute for brand spanking new factions!
Okay let me make some predictions and break things down- Warhammer 1 Empire bretonnia Wood elf orc Dwarf Chaos Norse Beastmen vampires
Warhamemr 2 High Elves Dark Elves Skaven (though Ive never seen them) LIzardmen
Now other possible ones in part 2- Tomb Kings Daemons Araby Dogs of war/tilea
Part 3 ideas Chaos dwarves Ogres Kislev Kurgan (they would have Crom the Conquorer as their leader, which would be bad ass) Hobgoblin tribes (they get talked about quite a bit in background material and the chaos dwarves need someone to enslave and beat up!)
Lord pacts for part 2 predictions- Thanqual against that red crested skink guy. Thanqual is the most well known skaven, he has to happen! The red skink one would have a skink themed army, like Skarsnik and his goblin army, which would be an interesting take on lizardmen.
Units in there would be- Skaven- Jezzails Giant rats Possibly Storm Fiends Possibly verminlord (though this one is least likely I feel.)
Lizard units Salamander Razordon (the artillery beasts are noticibaly missing at the minute) Troglodon (it was shit in warhammer but the model looks ace) Jungle swarms
The other set will be, I predict, dark elf vs high elf. Dark elf will be the hag queen leader of the witch elves woman, who will be a frenzied close combat fighter (so not a spell caster like the other two they have right now) High elves will get that guy on the griffin that appears in a lot of stuff, I cant remember his name. They dont have a hero that rides a big monster at the minute, so that would fill a niche.
Units for dark elves will include medusas, sisters of slaughter, doomfire warlocks and a beastmaster hero.
Dunno about high elf units, I haven't gone over the list.
Now Im probably completely wrong about all of that, but thats my predictions!
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 21, 2017 20:05:38 GMT
I'm still hoping for a Tilea/Estalia race pack that adds to both game 1 and game 2.
There are a lot of Lord Pack options, even ignoring the currently non-playable races. Harkon, the crazy bastard in charge of the Vampire Coast for instance. Or Grom the Paunch and Eltharion the Grim (Griffin dude for the High Elves).
As it stands though, we are missing a lot of interesting High Elven Characters. Allarielle the Everqueen for instance. I'm betting Avalorn isn't led by anyone interesting right now. Imrik Dragonlord would be nice because Dragon. The above mentioned Eltharion... but Alith Anar of Naggarythe would be a nice potential choice too, especially because he could bring in Shadow Warriors as a skirmishing ambush unit that the High Elves do not have at the moment.
Of course, Allarielle might bring the Maiden Guard and their magic AP bows. I would actually like to see some of these units limited to certain regions of the map like Knights of the Blazing Sun are (you need a level five Talabecland and the Chapter House to get the best knights for the Empire. Or start with Volkmar, who is sadly not Gelt). So you only get Maiden Guard if you hold Avalorn.
There are also a lot of hero level choices missing. For a lot of the factions it seems.
Dark Elves... they're missing a bunch too after a fashion. I do imagine Hellebron showing up, she's rather interesting and kinda batshit insane. Then you have the local favourite of Malus Darkblade. He'd be rather simple I imagine and could be FLC.
Lizardmen are definitely missing Tenenhuan. Knowing me, I am going to love Skinks so I definitely want this guy. He would have to come with more Skink focused units, so Salamanders, Razadons, Ark of Sotek, etc etc seem likely.
The most egregious absence for the Skaven Lords IS Thanquol. I've done some research and that guy is fucking hilarious. But we also have clans Moulder and Skryre on the map according to the updated map. A Moulder themed DLC might bring large rats that function like dogs, as well as some other abominations I'm sure, maybe rat ogre variations. Skryre though... they were always one of the most interesting clans, and they would bring some of the most important missing units: Jezzails and Ratling Guns. Maybe even the poison wind mortars. So I wouldn't bet against Skryre or Moulder making it in... though I would love to have a free Thanquol given out and starting at Skavenblight. Move Queek to Karak Eight Peaks and replace the Crooked Moon Mutinous Gits for the combined map too.
The thing here is that, when you stop to think about it, there isn't as much Race Pack DLC that can be done for TWW2 as for TWW1. To me that suggests we may just get more Lord Packs and I would be happy with that. Hell, I'd be happy with a cheaper pack with one Lord that unlocks the TWW1 factions for TWW2.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 21, 2017 21:41:22 GMT
I was going for characters that were top iconic ones, but also that did something differnet. I thought of the ever queen but she would be a caster on foot, and teclis has that covered. Though that would be an excuse to add the maiden guard, which would be a cool unit to get.
Also, they have shown a willingness to give people mounts that didnt have them in the game (wulfrik can now ride a horse, a chariot or a fucking mammoth!
Though I think imrik would be a better choice then griffin guy. best to keep griffins as a purely empire thing and dragons as an elf thing to make them more distinct. And Imrik could get cheaper or better dragon princes which would be cool.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 21, 2017 21:55:16 GMT
Well, Teclis has a horse now doesn't he? Or am I misremembering the list? Nope: "Caster Lord Teclis- Mounts: Foot, Barded Ithilmar Steed"
Allarielle could probably come with a "Make Love Not War" thing I imagine.
Some people I've talked with are annoyed that the High Elves don't get Griffins and Dark Elves don't get Manticores.
Imrik would be better than Eltharion, yeah, I agree. Alith Anar could be cool.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 22, 2017 0:18:54 GMT
Hmm wierd, I would prefer they dont get them to keep the sides distinct. I mean high elves have pheonixs and dragons already, griffins would be redundant, and dark elves have a ton of monsters too. There are already multiple sides with manticores, I just dont see the point. Make love not war?
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 22, 2017 0:21:04 GMT
Dont get me wrong, more heroes is always good, I was just laying out top picks for the ones I think are most likely/would work well.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 23, 2017 1:52:04 GMT
Sorry, it was "Make War Not Love" and it was for Valentines Day. That's when we got Isabella.
I agree that Griffins seem a bit superfluous. Manticores... maybe not. Poor bastard Dark Elves don't exactly have a lot of airpower. Especially for their heroes.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 23, 2017 17:25:13 GMT
Their lords can get flying mounts and so can sorceress, and they have black dragons and harpies. They could add manticores but they arent short on dark elf fliers as it stands.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 24, 2017 0:38:08 GMT
Dark Pegasus for a sorceress isn't the same as a High Elf Noble flying around on a Great Eagle. Lords get a Dark Pegasus too alongside a black dragon. But that isn't quite like a High Elf Lord who get three different flavours of dragon, the middle of which is comparable to a black dragon. Harpies are trash.
However, after thinking about it, I don't want them to have the same. High Elves probably should have the better airforce anyway. Keep em diverse.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 24, 2017 0:53:41 GMT
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 24, 2017 1:54:00 GMT
hahah I dispute this! Dark pegasus is cool! As it stands, dark elves have a pretty strong air force, where as high elves have an absolutely bad ass air force (at least from the looks of it.) Remember they dont just have ot compete with the high elves, but with other factions. Beastmen leaders cant fly (not even the one wiht wings! how unfair!) and norse ones dont either, just off the top of my head. Do skaven get any fliers?
If they do add manticore for them I would be okay with it, as long as the balance is okay (feral manticores are pretty bad ass.) But I wouldnt be excited partly for the reasons Ive sadi and partly becuase its just reusing an old unit we all already know.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 24, 2017 2:14:16 GMT
Dark Elf Air Force is decent. Not going to compete against the High Elves and probably not so great against the Bretonnians or Vampire Counts either.
Norscan Lords don't get mounts, they do have manticores and Ice Drakes/Wyrms/Whatever but I don't see those alone beating the Dark Elves. Chaos Warriors only really have the manticores with heroes or nothing and Lord on Chaos Dragon. Empire are lost, Dwarfs have no idea really, Wood Elves might be able to give the Dark Elves a run for their money with their Eagles, Hawk Riders (ranged air skirmishers with AP close combat? Huh), and Forest Dragons. Orcs are... meh with airpower...
But the Vampire Counts... Jesus. Strigoi Lords on a Terrogheist or Lord on Zombie Dragon? Terrorgheists? Vargheists!? Bats? Heroes on Hellsteeds? All of them not ones who will run but die first? Scary.
Bretonnia? Lord on Hippogrpyhs. Giant terrorizing Hippogryphs with magic lance wielding knights on them. Never tiring Pegasus Knights with magic fire weapons. More types of Pegasus Knights... a lot of options. These bastards might be able to give even the High Elf airforce a run for its money.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 24, 2017 3:24:57 GMT
At higher levels dark elves get black dragons, which pressumably will be able to wreck some shit, so they should do alright.
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Post by Canuovea on Aug 26, 2017 1:51:28 GMT
Apparently the Black Dragons are comparable to the Mid Tier High Elf dragons. But it IS still a Dragon.
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Post by Harkovast on Aug 26, 2017 2:43:39 GMT
In table top warhammer, darkelves could sometimes feel like a bit of a palette swap of regular elves. They have their own spear men, crossbowmen instead of archers, black guard intead of pheonix guard etc. I get the impression this game is making a prety strong effort to make sure they stand apart as their own side. They have a mechannic where the get massively more powerful if htey reach a threshould of enemies killed in the batle, which sounds really interesting.
I might play dark elves first.
High elves are too normal. Skaven are too wierd.
Its either the dark elf sorceress woman (I respect how as a modern indenpendant women she manages to strike a work life balance, raises her son as a single mother, got herfigure back after giving birth and can make people explode wiht dark magic.) or that Mazdamundi toad guy (hes a big fat frog with a funny name and magic, and that makes me smile) I always seem to be drawn to the spell casters. I guess I find their abilities more intresting to play...though I am told they are statistically not as good as fighty warriors (that might not stil be true)
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