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Post by StyxD on Dec 26, 2019 22:49:41 GMT
and the REAL bad guy is some evil white businessman guy...like its ALWAYS fucking is Welcome to late stage capitalism, as any leftist would say.
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 26, 2019 23:20:04 GMT
Its worth noting that in the modern films, the evil business guy is treated as an exception. He's the one bad guy going against what good business people should be doing.
Compare this to 80's films like robocop. There the entire corporate culture is evil and corrupt. Dick Jones was the most truly villainous of the set, but the entire OCP organisation was obviously incredibly shitty.
In more modern films the business man is often taken down by good business men (Like Tony Stark.)
These guys aren't the villains because rich business guys are evil, its just that they are a safe target you can make evil without a backlash. The big evil corporations that control our entertainment are not about to make films telling us big corporations are evil!
Films have become more socially left wing in their politics, but when it comes to their views on big business they have become almost libertarian in their out look.
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Post by Horsie on Dec 27, 2019 5:32:58 GMT
I seem to recall that Iron Man was created just to piss off hippies.
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In the words of Stan Lee; "I think I gave myself a dare. It was the height of the Cold War. The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing they hated, it was war, it was the military... So I got a hero who represented that to the hundredth degree. He was a weapons manufacturer, he was providing weapons for the Army, he was rich, he was an industrialist... I thought it would be fun to take the kind of character that nobody would like, none of our readers would like, and shove him down their throats and make them like him... And he became very popular."
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 27, 2019 13:03:25 GMT
Nice. I like that a lot actually.
I like the idea of someone creative going against the grain of what's expected and making it work, especially in terms of presenting a point of view the audience might not be on board with.
If you just tell your audience politics they agree with it isn't very challenging.
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Post by StyxD on Dec 27, 2019 17:31:16 GMT
You know what they say. The only way to stop a bad guy with a wallet is a good guy with a wallet.
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 27, 2019 21:06:24 GMT
Sometimes I feel the guillotine is a legitimate method.
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Post by StyxD on Dec 28, 2019 21:30:31 GMT
I recently saw an advertisement for Rise of Skywalker on TV (I'm at my parents' home for Christmas, it isn't my TV - gotta keep that millennial cred) and what the hell, translations of current Star Wars titles to Polish are getting worse than automatic translation.
I don't think I'll be able to fully convey it into English, but when a title can't be translated world-for-word and make sense… then say "fuck it" and translate it word for word without even making sure that the words are stringed into a coherent sequence.
So the translated title of "Rise of Skywalker", when translated back into English, would be "Skywalker Rebirth" which doesn't sound good already, but it's actually worse than it seems to you, because in English you can actually string random words together and have them mean something, but in Polish (and most languages that feature declension, I presume) you have to align the word forms to really make any kind of expression.
As an aside, it really makes translating fantasy spell names a nightmare.
And this "Skywalker Rebirth" just doesn't… mean anything. That's just two words next to each other. Is the Skywalker being rebirthed? Is the rebirth being instigated by Skywalker? I dunno. You decide. We just put this ungrammatical sequence here and have you guess what we meant.
They previously pulled that off with the "Star Wars Stories" tagline, but at least this wasn't the main title.
The saddest thing is, me and my friend sometimes express our disrespect for bad media by calling them technically correct but nonsensical translations. Disney took that away from us, you can't get more stupid than what they put out.
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 28, 2019 23:14:54 GMT
Well.
That's hilarious. I mean, awful, but hilarious because it is so awful.
It's almost like the American-centric entertainment industry doesn't give two fucks about anyone who doesn't speak English... or maybe Chinese.
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Post by StyxD on Dec 30, 2019 19:22:12 GMT
I wonder how the films themselves were translated. It's a bit silly to judge the quality of the entire work by a derpy title. Some translations of Hollywood media are very well done, but I don't know what any modern Disney translation looks like.
Maybe we're moving towards a model where the Chinese market supplants all other non-English markets.
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Post by Canuovea on Dec 30, 2019 21:15:23 GMT
Moving towards?
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Post by StyxD on Dec 30, 2019 21:32:01 GMT
I think there's still too little pro-China censorship seeping into the general media, although we've made important strides in 2019 so I think the future is Pooh.
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Post by Harkovast on Dec 31, 2019 12:41:16 GMT
You wont see a Hollywood film acknowledging the existance of Hong-Kong, Tibet or Tiawan. Those are all just parts of the Chinese mainland, because the Chinese Communists told us so.
Hollywood's hypocrisy always annoys me because they all make such a huge performance of how moral and righteous they all are, like they are the conscience of the world but the second money is involved it goes right out the window.
They all freak out when Trump wont let people from some Muslim countries come in the US, but China is putting Muslims in special camps to be forcibly indoctrinated to stop being Muslims and become obedient communists? Not a peep.
Also Hollywood producers are all filthy rapists. There is that as well.
HIlariously the remake of the film Red Dawn was reeditted to change the invading Chinese to invading North Koreans. The same with those shitty Homefront games. I find the irony there rather delicious.
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Post by Harkovast on Jan 1, 2020 20:36:40 GMT
Man here is a crazy blast from the past. Remember when the Guardian revealed proof that there is no fan back lash to the Last Jedi, its all Russian bots and a politically motivated plot. Scientific proof that actually everyone loved the Last Jedi.I dunno what "clear political agendas" means. The guardian gives movies bad reviews for political reasons all the time. I assume that the Russian secret service have now infiltrated the print media journalists, as they all gave the Rise of Skywalker pretty luke warm reviews. Actually, the Guardian did a review of rise of skywalker that was pretty middling.... OH SHIT THE RUSSIANS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE GUARDIAN! NO ONE IS SAFE! Amusingly though, there are some signs that the bots for Rise of Skywalker are the ones supporting it. The rating from audiences on Rotten Tomato has stayed at 86% since the film came out, despite ten of thousands more reviews. And there is a weird number saying variations on "a great end to the saga", which is odd cause calling it the "skywalker saga" is something disney started doing just recently to make this film seem more important than it is. Maybe Putin just really liked this one.
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Post by StyxD on Jan 2, 2020 20:47:36 GMT
HIlariously the remake of the film Red Dawn was reeditted to change the invading Chinese to invading North Koreans. Okay, I guess I rest this point. What a fucked up thing. I dunno what "clear political agendas" means. Excuse me, I'm sure I've analyzed that paper quite thoroughly.
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Post by Harkovast on Jan 3, 2020 1:43:10 GMT
Yeah we probably talked about it at the time. I just got reminded of it and wanted to laugh at it again. It's one of those things that was embarrassing at the time and hasn't aged well.
I love the idea that Disney have made a movie that basically disavows everything in the Last Jedi, so if we believed this article disney is pandering to Russian twitter bots.
That's wonderfully insane and I love it.
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