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Post by Canuovea on Jan 3, 2015 3:54:57 GMT
Sad, really. I don't understand why people want that kind of thing?
I'm thankful that my girlfriend is on my level intellectually with quite a few things, though not all, and very glad she exceeds me intellectually in others. It makes for interesting discussions, and means that when I need her help or support, that she is able to give it to me. Besides, the matching of intellects and wits is wonderful. Why would you want a subservient partner? I don't get it...
But I have decided that the world really is a place I cannot expect to understand.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 3, 2015 4:03:27 GMT
I get the feeling that a not insignificant number of guys who like to howl about men's rights aren't getting any action, and they think that it's the fault of women.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 3, 2015 4:09:13 GMT
You might be mostly right.
I mean, this is the crowd who listens to and buys those things from the so called "pickup artists" who they consider "Alphas" in order to be "Alphas" themselves... because "Alphas" get the women...
The pickup artist types do get laid on occasion, I suppose, though.
But even then... I'm pretty sure that the happily married couple are getting laid far more often than those bozos.
I dunno, maybe the idea is that this way they don't want to actually be in a relationship to have sex? Because that involves caring for and interacting with another person and they are just bad at that?
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Post by Horsie on Jan 3, 2015 4:12:23 GMT
They're bound to have success simply by trying more. If you're constantly cruising bars you're going to meet more women, and thus have a better chance at having sex with some of those women, than a man who doesn't spend all of his downtime in bars.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 3, 2015 4:17:34 GMT
And some of those women might be interested in having a good time, sure. Nothing wrong with that.
Problem is though, that a lot of these guys then assume that all women are like that all of the time. Their capacity for generalization is amazing and needs to be studied thoroughly by the world's top scientists and psychologists. So we can find a way to identify the genetics that cause this and purge them from the gene pool. Well... no, I'm not going to actually advocate eugenics. But the self delusion gets pretty strong.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 3, 2015 4:25:40 GMT
Sexual frustration maybe? Who knows.
I just think that a lot of people these days look for instant gratification, and when things aren't easy or they can't get what they want when they want, they get all upset and assume it's someone's fault. I think it's more of a problem with society at large.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 3, 2015 4:33:09 GMT
We have gotten rather lazy, and we have gotten rather entitled, just as a society on the whole. At least, I've been getting that vibe. I do think I see what you mean being reflected in these kinds of people.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 3, 2015 6:37:21 GMT
"There is only one cure for poverty: The empowerment of women, which means giving them some control over their reproduction!" -Christopher Hitchens, explaining why Mother Teresa was a putz because she thought that Calcutta needed a campaign against Birth Control.
So... maybe Hitchens wasn't as terribly sexist as we seem to think sometimes. Oh, he was still sexist, but...
Source:
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Post by StyxD on Jan 4, 2015 12:32:44 GMT
I dunno, maybe the idea is that this way they don't want to actually be in a relationship to have sex? Because that involves caring for and interacting with another person and they are just bad at that? Nah, I don't think that's the (main) reason. Have you read the manifesto of that Isla Vista killer from back in May? Gives a chilling perspective into those guys' mindset. Though most people will say that he was just mad; that's all right, anything is better than challenging the deeply ingrained stereotypes that everyone is so comfortable with. I'd love to write a long rant about it (I find it deeply fascinating; probably since I'm asexual or something), but to cut it short: I think they really want neither relationship nor sex (they would have hired a prostitute if it was the second one, it's not hard), they want validation. They buy, with all their money, the society's insistence that a real man needs to "get a woman". They consider themselves the smartest, nicest people in the world (since it goes well with being arrogant), but women miraculously fail to notice their supposed virtues and go out with bad boys; who are bad, since they're getting women and not those paragons of niceness, and life's just so unfair! So they go on and rant how women today are just too picky and if they were just cut down a peg, stop trying to be independent and ambitious, they would surely appreciate those honest nice men!
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Post by TempestFennac on Jan 4, 2015 12:40:55 GMT
While hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/01/heres-absolute-proof-mothers-are-better-off-staying-at-home.html is interesting, assuming the statistics are actually accurate, but I don't really see any valid reason why it should always be the mother staying at home (my argument is that there's no reason why house husbands shouldn't handle the child-rearing and domestic tasks if his wife has a lucrative career).
Replying to Styx's comment, sadly that does seem to be the case with a lot of people (my interpretation of that crap Blurred Lines song is that it's about a dork with no social skills who believe women only exist to fulfil his needs, hence the singer interpreting pretty much anything women do in his general vicinity as signs that they want to sleep with him despite denying it).
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Post by Horsie on Jan 4, 2015 21:01:48 GMT
He says that 4% lose money by having both parents work, and an additional 10% don't make any extra, regardless of where he got those numbers, what about the remaining 86%?
Maybe I just don't like his attitude.
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Post by Harkovast on Jan 4, 2015 21:27:49 GMT
Just because someone publically voices an opinion doesn't mean they cant be a hypocrite on that topic.
Most racists will tell you racism is bad and they aren't racist...they are just stating facts or things that "everyone knows". If you ask the people in gamergate is sexism bad they will say of course its bad...but they don't consider their own behaviour to be in anyway sexist.
Hitchens was against sexism when religious people were doing it but was blind to how out dated and patronising his own opinions were.
Hitchens was fearsome in debate though. When he goes up against a religious figure it feels like lambs being put in to fight a grizzly bear. Though some of this might come from their own arguments being weak, Hitchens was undoubtedly a fearsome opponent in any discussion.
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Post by frostwolf on Jan 4, 2015 21:52:04 GMT
I never really got why people keep bashing tropes vs women. I find it fascinating and we should try to focus on having more diverse main characters in games as we should in other works of fiction.
MAIN characters, not just a diverse cast of characters, we should have diverse main characters. The problem with this (or the arguments I could see) is that some people might find it hard to relate to more diverse characters.
Which is actually kinda annoying. I get the concept of wanting to relate to characters, but we don't need to relate to them based on their looks. Their traits, beliefs, actions, all of those we could relate to!
On the other side, why must we always relate to characters? Why not try and play or understand characters different from us to better understand their cultures/lives and thus learn things about ourselves.
Then again...it's mainly shooters that give big attention, and no one really gives much a damn for character in those.
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Post by Canuovea on Jan 4, 2015 21:56:41 GMT
Indeed, as Hitchens debated more than just religious figures, and on far more issues. He was an interesting man, and while not always right, almost always convincing (if not completely so).
His sexism, while present, wasn't quite on par with, say, most of the Youtube atheists either.
I'm kind of getting to the point where I don't care about video games. At least Skyrim lets you play male or female as you like. Though it comes through that a lot of the dialogue is heavily weighted towards a male character, nonetheless it gives options. And there are always mods and such. But I've considered playing characters who are radically different from myself in Skyrim... just because that would allow for more diverse story telling and different experience. I don't always have to relate to my character.
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Post by Horsie on Jan 4, 2015 22:00:37 GMT
Yeah, because Lord knows I only have four things in common with the main characters of the CoD games; I'm a white man who uses guns, and I can speak English.
I can't relate to most of the characters in the novels I read, but that doesn't mean I don't like the characters, that I don't enjoy the plot.
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