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Post by demonnachos on Apr 18, 2016 3:27:33 GMT
I know Clerics can use heavy armor at least, which is a plus.
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Post by StyxD on Sept 6, 2018 21:27:17 GMT
You know, I've been watching a character creation analysis for FATAL (yes, that famed FATAL) and I've come to a really sad realization. FATAL was way ahead of its time. It's why it failed. Like most people, I've heard about FATAL in late 00s and, like most, I initially thought it's a troll or a parody. Then we heard the author defending his work like it should be treated seriously, and we laughed. But having looked at this step-by-step character creation with the handbook, I think FATAL is just so much more. So you know what FATAL is famous for. Ridiculously specific rules for sexual stuff (anal circumference!) and obtuse simulationist rules that actually make no sense if you think about them for just a moment. Both are the kind of things that you would include if you wanted to satirise tabletop RPGs. But! FATAL has some less know elements: - The author would very much like you to know he's an Intellectual. All the mechanics of FATAL are based on rigorous Science and Philosophy the author has devoutly Researched. In fact, the convoluted character creation system where you have to roll 8 dice and calculate averages just to know the value of one attribute is like this so that all the attributes would average at 100; just like IQ test results, which the author holds in High Regard as a Reliable Scientific Tool. - The author is also well versed in Philosophy. He would like you to know he read the works of important Philosophers. Especially Aristotle. More like only Aristotle. And only the parts about the four elements and four humours (which every average college kid knows about) and the parts about how women are stupid and useless. - By the way, the author is not sexist. The rules that blatantly favour male characters are simple the result of Historical Accuracy and that's just how it has to be. In fact, the author scores a triple c-c-combo of: 1) claim that men naturally arose as more competent in all human civilizations, 2) appeal to authority of Good Ole Aristotle, 3) appeal to nature, because you see, if a female mollusc is attacked then the male will defend her, but if the male is attacked then the female will just run away. So males are just better at everything, it has to be this way, rules of nature. - The author has done Extensive Research on everything, but actually has no idea about female anatomy (other than that it harbours a serious amount of cooties). For example, he seems to think that vagina and anus are separated only by some flap of skin that can be easily torn in case of damage (and as everyone knows, FATAL is all about dealing damage to people's Anal Circumference), doesn't really know how menstruation works (but it's gross, yuck) and seems to think that hymen is not a reliable measure of virginity… because it can only be broken by a penis of considerable size! - Speaking of dicks, in FATAL you roll for pretty much every physical characteristic, and compared to others… it's actually super easy to roll to have a huge dick. At least the author knows his target audience. - Leaving the country matters aside for a moment (whew, it got hot in here!), the author would like you to also know he had an epiphany about Morality when Studying Philosophy (as you do) and has devised a moral alignment system that reflects this Universal Human Morality the author had devised from Serious Philosophy. Psst: it's actually D&D's alignment system with the words "lawful/chaotic" and "good/evil" (but hilariously not "neutral") swapped out for non-trademarked terms. Badly. - Speaking of historical accuracy: the system doesn't even allow anyone other than white people to exist. So, to provide a blunt summary: FATAL is written by a pretentious pseudo-intellectual alt-right incel for pretentious pseudo-intellectual alt-right incels. Before pretentious pseudo-intellectual alt-right incels even existed. Or maybe it's something Jordan Peterson's wrote in college as a pet project, I dunno. If FATAL came out today, it wouldn't be a laughingstock like a decade ago. Today it would be a witty and hilarious takedown of those damn SJWs, delivering solid scientific truths with not regards to any snowflake's hurt feelings and a great effort to Make RPGs Great Again like they were in the times of Tolkien and Gygax. Not like the degenerate 5ed D&D, with its simplified math for retards and characters that can be anything you want with no realistic mechanical restrictions (especially female characters!). And people would buy that in droves. Regardless of quality. Just because it "triggers SJWs". Just like that Hatred game. Truly, a modern masterpiece whose genius eluded us at its time. Here's the full version of the rabbit hole, should you choose to traverse it:
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 6, 2018 21:59:48 GMT
Oh shit.
OH FUCKING SHIT!
You are right.
At first I thought "What the hell is he talking about?"
Then I thought "Oh he was being SARCASTIC! Ah its a joke. I get jokes."
Then I thought "FUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKK!"
Yes absolutely, that would totally work now. Argh!
It really was ahead of its time! They would put it out, 4chan troll types would spread it around thinking it was funny, some left wing journalist would get wind of it and do a "rpgs are rape culture and they all play FATAL" article. Then it would do some crowd funding and sell ten bajillion copies.
ARGH! I can absolutely see it!
This is going in with comics. There are indy books being marketed now as "anti-sjw". Some of them are trying to be a-political, as a sortof "we dont want politics in comics, just action" thing. (my friend backed one called Cyber frog about a cyborg frog fighting giant space wasps) But there is at least one that is activley poltical the other way. It's called Alt-hero that is basically just horrendous over the top politics but from the other side. There is an evil captain EU guy as the baddie, and the hero is a hot chick in a confederate flag uniform. Offensive content aside, its hot garbage (as its just a political lecture thinly veiled as a comic book, exactly what people accuse the "sjw books" books of being.) But Alt hero sold thousands of copies. You know the people buying it aren't showing up for the quality art and innovative story telling. They are there to put down money to go "Fuck those snowflake sjws! This will trigger those libtards!" etc etc. I would bet most of the backers aren't even into comics. (Again, an ironic reversal of the whole "these sjws don't even read the comics!" accusation.) So people are literally doing this tactic...creating complete trash but making it deliberately "triggering" and using that as a marketing plan and making loads of cash.
(Im not getting into if politics in comics and the rights and wrongs of that here, just that I can point to an example of someone doing this EXACT tactic there and it working great.)
Hatred as you mentioned is the same thing but for computer games.
Go into a medium where there are people arguing about sjws/anti sjws, make something that you know will piss off the sjws (quality doesn't matter), milk the other side for money.
FATAL 100% could have pulled this off if it came out today, no question. People would be saying to boycott it, which would make other people want it more, people would find it funny because other people hated it etc etc.
We are living in an age so fucking stupid, so fucking idiotic and ridiculous that FATAL would have sold like hot cakes if it came out today. Idiocracy has arrived, everyone! Time to water the crops with energy drinks!
My mind has been fucking blown. My anal circumference has been shattered! This is the most amazing insight I've heard in ages.
Also the idea that Jordan Peterson wrote it as an angsty teenager cracks me up. I'm imagining the multipage description of how to play a hooker being done in a Kermit the frog voice.
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Post by StyxD on Sept 6, 2018 22:25:34 GMT
I've heard about that Cyber-Frog thing. Are you sure it's not subliminal fascist propaganda? Is your friend who you think he is?
Think about it.
A frog is the symbol of 4chan. A frog is a symbol of Jordan Peterson. There are some concerns in the alt-right community about chemicals that "turn frogs gay", which is probably a codename of some operation.
I don't think it's a coincidence.
Wake up sheeple.
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 6, 2018 22:52:13 GMT
I can reassure everyone, cyber frog was originally created in the 90s, before frogs were racist. Wow, frogs are racist. That's a real thing I just said that makes complete sense in context.
Interesting, though Jordan Peterson sounds like Kermit, I read an article that internet memes involving Kermit drinking and saying "but thats none of my business" were created by "black twitter" so using them is racist if white poeple do it because you are culturally appropriating black peoples memes.
Now I know you are thinking "is he making this up?" but then you stop and consider the modern world on the internet and realise that why would I need to invent shit? Arthur the aardvark clenching his fist in anger was a meme only black people can use as well apparently.
So to recap- Pepe Frog = White supremacy (regardless of rarity) kermit voice= Jordan Peterson kermit drinking tea= Black twitter (off limits for whites) regular kermit= muppet Cyber frog= fights space hornets
All clear on that?
Its like we're are locked in a knife fight to the death but all the knives are made of bat shit insanity.
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Post by StyxD on Sept 6, 2018 23:06:19 GMT
Now I know you are thinking "is he making this up?" Nah, I am not. Last month I finally saw it, which I knew inevitably would happen: a Tumblr post stating that white people learning non-European languages are cultural appropriation. Granted, it's just a Tumblr post. It might not mean anything. But I still wish I had made that bet.
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 7, 2018 0:01:04 GMT
After 2016, I've learned never to bet against crazy!
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Post by Canuovea on Sept 7, 2018 17:38:59 GMT
The hymen isn't a good indicator of virginity. It generally varies but it isn't about penis size. FATAL is stupid.
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 7, 2018 17:48:54 GMT
Wait, you are saying FATAL might not be 100% accurate? You roll 8 dice to make a perfect average! In FATAL it is possible for the Hymen strength to be too strong and the penis to bounce off it. How embarrassing!
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Post by StyxD on Sept 8, 2018 13:10:56 GMT
The hymen isn't a good indicator of virginity. Yeah, reject the facts because they offend your precious snowflake feelings. Sea urchin females have hymens that only the most alpha of sea urchin males can breach. If a male can't pierce the hymen during copulation, its penis disintegrates and it becomes a degenerate homosexual. This proves the immutable, primal relation between penises and hymens, no matter what Cultural Marxism says. Next you're going to tell me virginity is a social construct with no good indicators or definition, really. How do you explain unicorns, then? Checkmate libtards.
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Post by TempestFennac on Sept 8, 2018 14:13:05 GMT
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 8, 2018 14:41:06 GMT
StyxD is dropping some red pill truth bombs up in here. Harkovast is hosted on Tumblr and I'm worried its going to burst into flames when exposed to this level of fedora.
Racial Holy War is less of a complete game. Its just some basic combat system of various "enemies" to fight (jews, blacks, you get the idea.) White supremacists ain't generally the brightest bulbs in the racially segregated box, so their efforts are as feeble as you would expect.
FATAL is more flat out hillarious because it has that sense of "is this for real?" There's enough effort and art etc that makes it seem like it must be real (especially reading the authors amazing defences of his nonsense, and the fact the second eddition removed the racial stuff...I guess they felt that went too far but the rapey magic swords were just fine?)
Racial Holy War is assholes pushing their politics with the thinest of coverings of a game. FATAL is lunatics making a game and all the crazy leaking through.
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Post by TempestFennac on Sept 8, 2018 15:26:18 GMT
You're probably right there. It's sad that the only thing you can say in favour of FATAL is that the rules are complete.
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Post by Harkovast on Sept 8, 2018 15:34:32 GMT
I think StyxD's observation about how we treated FATAL then, compared to how it would get treated now, is really fascinating.
It shows how the culture has changed. We are all hyper politicised with good sides and bad guys and you have to blindly support your team and blindly hate the other team. We've also started, as a culture, responding with outrage and offence to things rather than mockery. Me and my friends shared Racial Holy War and FATAL with each other because they were FUNNY. We were laughing that morons could write such garbage. (FATAL was a lot funnier...mainly becuase there was a lot more of it! Racial holy war ws about 3 pages as I recall.) My friend called my up barely able to speak as he tried to explain FATAL to me.
I think we might have lost something there. As we've discussed, if people had got morally outraged over FATAL it would have sold a million copies. Back in the day we humiliated it and shamed it by laughing at its worse excesses of stupidity. It was the star wars holiday special of rpgs.
It was only about 10 years ago I first read it, that should tell you how much things have changed that our reaction to something like that as a society would be so different.
Did anyone ever actual play a game of FATAL? Has that ever been attempted?
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Post by TempestFennac on Sept 8, 2018 15:38:28 GMT
Some Youtubers have tried and other people have claimed to have played it but apparently combat tends to be ridiculously lethal.
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